Re: Lyme Patient Murderers

Because that's a conclusion that YOU have reached...alone in your
infinite ability to peer into others' souls... >>>

actually, dritteman, it's pretty easy to peer into someone else's soul
when they publish their illogical musings for mass dissemination. you
never answered any of the questions I posed to you. you simply launch
into your standard diatribe. why don't you address the issues. you're
acting like someone who defends a guilty person. I guess that may be
why you do what you do.

well, OK, steere states on more than one occasion (at least 3) that
oral doxy is not effective in treating neuroborreliosis. there is
nothing in the IDSA recs either that establishes oral doxy as a
treatment for neuroborreliosis, although klempner lied in his paper
when he claimed the opposite. this is not rocket science, dritteman.
there is no scientific basis ("evidence-based medicine", remember??)
for the use of oral doxy in Bb s.s. neurolyme. none. zippo. klempner
lied his ass off to the entire US medical community. if these were
mistakes, as opposed to intentional lying, klempner could write a
letter to NEJM retracting the study results. and this would be very
easy for him to do since in his current position he would edit his own
letter.

since the study was supposedly a study of chronic neurolyme, this would
appear by itself to invalidate the entire study. although, of course,
there were many other massive flaws, such as the rote exclusion of
depressives.

<<YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS. Notice the word "know"...as in personal
knowledge...as opposed to a conclusion you have reached fro m
interpretations, guesses and hunches and assumptions. >>>

I'm not sure what you're getting at here...another issue dodge,
perhaps? I have plenty of personal knowledge. it's not hard when, as I
previously stated, the individuals in question have quite publically
left a record of what they have done. when I say that steere has
published that 300 mg of oral doxy is not effective in neurolyme, that
is not an assumption or hunch. it is a well documented fact. similarly,
the ghost citation at the end of the klempner paper. anyone can read
the idsa paper and see that this was a lie.


<<...until they, themselves have had an opportunity to explain
themselves. >>>

true enough. either in court or to an fbi agent, no doubt.



<<<God only knows. But it appears to me that a certain segment of the
population...(my guess is NOT genuine Lyme patients)...but psychiatric
patients who have found Lyme disease and "neuroborreliosis" as a more
palatable notion...want to BLAME someone else for their illness...they
need an oppressor to go along with their "victimization" status.


WHAT you don't understand...is that the amount of time and energy that
goes into this NONSENSE is hurtful to the "sensible pursuit of
answers"...and detracts from legitimate goals.


This "pursuit"s anything BUT sensible. Ridiculous, in fact. Laughable.


You and those that are constantly pushing this lunacy are the real
threats to the Lyme community...


....Kathleen is their best friend. She's a living example of how
freaking nuts some would paint the entire Lyme patient community out to

be.


And you're helping out.


Congratulations, douchebag. Idiots like Frank who get themselves quoted

in the NY Times...and you...you wanna be like Frank, huh? >>>>


First of all, I would be more than happy if the NY times wrote an
article detailing what I have said about steere and klempner's
mendacity. maybe one or both of them would be forced to answer.
something they haven't done in the past. If this article were written,
I'd also like for steere to address other "mistakes" he has made in
other articles.


what is hurtful to lyme patients are the misleading and fraudulent
articles which have been published. it is not a waste of time to
elaborate for others exactly what these major flaws are. see,
dritteman, for every one of you there are a hundred or a thousand of
me. people who can contact congressmen, physicians they know through
church, scientists, the list is endless. in my case, there are three
MDs in my family including a med school dean. and believe me, they are
aware of what has gone on.

that sort of thing must keep you up at night.

the only legitimate goal in science is the pursuit of truth. and this
is something that steerite researchers have demonstrated they are not
interested in pursuing. the real threat to the lyme community, meaning
patients, is the continued toleration of the malfeasance of certain
researchers and certain CDC officials.


I don't know why you make the comments about psychiatric lyme patients.
it's a horrible illness. your comment that you think these individuals
are manufacturing symptoms is far more hurtful to american citizens
than anything frank or I have said. it also demonstrates a real lack of
understanding of organic mental disease, how it presents, what the
symptoms can be, etc. it's very sad that the years of experience and
knowledge which have accumulated in this area are unintelligible to an
idiot like you who posts his moronic comments in an area where others
who have OBD can read them. you are a real pig.

in my case, after years of suffering, CDC positive western blots,
positive spects, positive spinal taps, etc. not to mention
hypointensities on MRI. just to mention a few.

.

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