Re: is lyme disease sexually transmitted?
- From: "lisasawitch" <lisasawitch@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 16 Aug 2005 08:46:26 -0700
mike wrote:
> "Chuck P Adams"
> >
> >
> > Mike, you can listen to the truth or listen to rumors and
> > misinformation from quacks on the usenet. The CDC or a Quack? Hmmm
>
>
> Chuck, i appreciate your info and will keep it in mind. But i also must
> believe that there is a small chance that i CAN get it through sex or other
> means.
Mike the only "answer" is that we do not know one way or another.
Many couples and even entire families have been diagnosed with Lyme.
However, that alone proves neither sexual nor congenital infection.
People who live in endemic and/or hyperendemic areas are routinely
exposed to Lyme disease in their own backyards. Oftentimes couples and
families engage in outdoor activities together that put them at greater
risk (hiking camping picnics etc).
Congenital tranmsission has been PROVEN to occur. How often it occurs
is unknown.
Sexual transmission? Never been proven. Not even in animal models. The
fact that the bacteria is SIMILAR to the one that causes syphyillis
does NOT prove sexual transmission.
>>From the standpoint of darwinistic evolution, syphillis has not been
spread effectively by any other vector than sex.
However, Lyme disease has been very effectively spread by ticks. So the
bacteria had no evolutionary imperative to develop other vectors for
transmission in order to survive.
My own guess is that it CAN occur but probably doesn't occur with any
great frequency. Sexual transmission is a relatively difficult means
for a germ to survive (though certainly syphyillis and AIDS and other
germs do survive that way). Vaginal secretions can be toxic to many
bacteria (host defense mechanism). So can a number of other host
defense mechanisms make it difficult and those things that make the
tick an effecient vector do not necessarily dovetail well with those
things the germ would require to surive via the sexual transmission
route.
But we do not know one way or another with any certainty. As a result
of that amazing gap in knowledge (Hulllloooooo CDC where are you but
asleep at the wheel on this important public health issue?), you should
take appropriate precautions.
>ince there are so MANY unsolved cases from people who contracted
> lyme disease from a family member or loved one close to them.
I don't know what you mean "unsolved cases" especially when you follow
it with "who contracted lyme diseases from a family member of loved one
close to them."
1. What is an "unsolved case"? Most people don't notice or realize
they've been bitten by a tick because the bite is painless and the tick
tiny and after feeding it drops off the host. Cold case mystery solved.
2. When you say "who contracted it from" that puts the cart before the
horse of your question. If you "know" they contracted it from others,
than you obviously would "know" it was transmitted by sex or other
close contact. Which is highly unlikely. Other than sex, the bacteria
is mostly anerobic meaning it doesn't survive in the air or on people's
hands or on pens or doorknobs.
3. When you say "family member of loved one close to them" do you mean
that people are having SEX with family members OTHER THAN their spouse
or significant other?
> I know this
> first hand. I live in Jersey/Pa area. A hotspot for lyme disease. And
> i know ALOT of people who have the disease where the first member of the
> family got lyme disease from a tick bite, and the rest of the family members
> got the disease also but never had a rash or tick bite.
You should say the rest of the family members got the disease but never
NOTICED a rash or KNEW THEY HAD a tick bite.
Many people don't get a rash or the rash is NOT the "classic" bullseye.
Many people w a rash might not notice it. Probably more than half don't
get or don't notice a rash.
And most people don't know they got a tick bite. The tick injects an
anesthetic upon attaching and biting the human so you don't feel the
bite.
But again--other than spouse or significant other are you saying people
are having sex with their kids? their mothers? their aunts or uncles?
DO you come from the part of PA/NJ where there is a LOT of inbreeding?
>I even read a
> article about a year ago about the possibility of lyme disease spreading
> through the air. Not many sources seemed to back this up though.
That is a medical and scientific IMPOSSIBILITY. Non starter. Nope does
NOT happen and NEVER will (unless the bacteria mutates significantly).
> I appreciate the government resource you provided. But we all know how
> those sources could be sometimes. They need a TON of evidence on everything
> in order to accept the truth. Kind of like the same situation thats going
> on in Aruba right now with that missing girl. If theres no body, theres no
> case. But we all know it had to be one of those 3 guys. or all of them.
Or none of them. It is NOT that if there is no body there is no case.
MANY MANY murder cases have been proven with no body. Bad analogy. And
all of those three young men might well be completely and totally
INNOCENT. If they were suspects here in the USA their status would be
INNOCENT (unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt).
> I feel bad for all you sufferers out there. My mom had lyme disease
> undiagnosed for like 15 years. She was a total mess during that time
> mentally and physically. she didnt even know who she was. she's much
> better now though. She was in the hospital here in the U.S. for months and
> it barely did anything to help her. Then we took her to Hungary (where we
> are from) and they cured her. Im not kidding. She is totally back to normal
> now physically and mentally and hasnt tested positive for lyme for over 10
> years.
Well glad to hear she's doing better.
BUT negative tests don't prove a "cure"
>She had this treatment done where they ran her blood through this
> machine and heated up the blood to a high temperature, and then returned it
> back into her body. and they did this a few times. And that is what got it
> out of her system completely.
Glad to hear she's better. But the method you describe couldn't work.
Lyme infects organs and tissues so "cleaning the blood" wouldn't "cure"
her the blood could and would be reinfected upon being put back in the
body.
>Its kind of like Dialysis i guess but
> different. I dont believe they heat the blood up during dialysis do they?
> But anyway, i wish all of you could look into this type of treatment. As
> our crooked country here in the U.S. is only looking for temporary fixes,
> not cures. Anti-biotics over and over again.. that was useless for my mom.
> it didnt do anything for her.
>
> Mike
Uh thanks for sharing your thoughts and your mother's story.
.
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