Re: What Kathleen doesn't want you to see...the Magistrate's Report


kachenjunga wrote:
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> I understand what you are saying, and I don't doubt it nor have I ever
> doubted this aspect...that these individuals wield a great deal of
> power...and probably have egos to match their power...which can make it
> difficult to accept and admit fault. maybe that's the wrong
> word...mistakes. everyone makes them, but we all know that in the
> scientific world especially at the top it can be difficult to admit
> mistakes {unfortunately, and it's the culture, the pressure to maintain
> grants which I HATE, I wish these people didn't have so much pressure
> from the financial side, it's disruptive to the insightful intelligent
> mind which all of these people possess}

Yes, well ego, I imagine, and the unwillingness to admit error is a
powerful driving force among all human beings.
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> btw, in my above post I was no longer talking about these people
> committing fraud...I was simply pointing out their own inconsistency
> and hypocrisy...kathleen is in a minority, as far as I can tell, in
> accusing these people of crimes and avidly pursuing a legal remedy.
> I've certainly not heard pat smith, karen forschner, or any LLMD say
> anything at all at any point along these lines publicly, or privately.
> and I've mentioned these issues in private to certain more prominent
> individuals. phylis for instance, I've never heard her accuse anyone of
> criminal fraud.

Well, I assume that also. It would be helpful if they spoke up against
the suggestion, though. And realize...I am not saying absolutely that
none of this ever happened...or that a case couldn't be made. What I am
saying is that I haven't seen anything to indicate there is reason to
think that it did, in fact, occur.

And you need to think of the damage this sort of thing can do in
diverting attention away from more relevant and substantial issues.
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> on the other hand, I've also heard from people who make kathleen look
> like the easter bunny. and they don't post and have websites, either.
> kathleen is one person out of thousands.

Yes. I miss Lisa, too. LOL. (NOT).
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> you don't hear lyme patients complaining about a large number of
> scientists - even barbour, outside of some ignorant and less than
> honest statements on general issues, is highly regarded as a scientist.
> there are a very small number of clinical scientists, and steere is one
> of them, who have made ignorant brutal statements, AND have published
> garbage. klempner is another. shapiro is a scientific goebbels.

Hey...you should meet one of the jackasses who I first went to see. I
am not sure why, exactly...but it does seem like the people who
populate the medical profession are, by and large, some of the most
insensitive, uncaring assholes on the planet. Maybe it is because they
have to be dispassionate...I don't know...but they also tend, I suspect
, from professional training, to be extremely cautious and
conservative.
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> steere is 63 years old. he won't be around much longer. he's a lame
> duck.he won't even give interviews to his fellow faculty members at
> harvard, much less to the boston media. and the worst offenders, as
> I've previously mentioned, are fauci {65} and dennis {66}, government
> officials who have clearly made poor decisions in the arena of lyme
> policy. it's not allen steere's job to protect people from lyme
> disease. However, it IS david dennis' job to protect the health of
> americans from zoonotic disease. and Fauci, regardless of how they SAY
> the system works, wields far more influence than allen steere. he's his
> editor, after all. and the main 'man' when it comes to grants.

I think there is a severe lesson here about why it is a terrible idea
to allow one person or one clique to so dominate discussion of a
controversy like this. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about
a free exchange of ideas within science.

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> someone in one of these government positions with a BACKBONE who
> believed that things should be pursued differently, could have at any
> point caused a stink.

Personally...I think there is much more potential in the investigation
of involvement of the Federal government and its reasons for
underplaying the nature and extent of this disease, than any possible
financial wrongdoing.

What is the larger issue here is simply the role of the federal
government and "former" government officers in directing how individual
physicians diagnose and treat disease.

In essence, the very nature of the doctor-patient relationship is being
interfered with, in my opinion, by the Federal government.

This is far more important than any of Kathleen's disturbed ravings.
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