Re: Michael Schwartz' Analysis of Allen Steere

we discovered the causative agent for barnwarth's syndrome. it is a
spirochetal organism isolated from the ixodes tick. the organism can be
serially cultured in homogenized brain.

mutation and hybridization experiments with related borellia from the
relapsing fever genus have resulted in the production of a strain which
can be sustained and transmitted by our mosquitoes. as this organism
produces a fairly innocuous rash in the initial stage of human
infection, and appears to resolve infection entirely following the
initial mildly debilitating syndrome, it is a good candidate for
tracking the infective success rate of our mosquitoes on a civilian
population.


Epidemic Intelligence Whitewash wrote:
well, you're talking about ross river virus, previously seen only in
australia and transmitted I believe by mosquito. similar initial
presentation to arthritic forms of LD and completely legimate to ponder
whether initial LD in 1970's lyme area cases were viral in origin.
However, that assumes that the outbreak of lyme was a natural
recurrence of an ancient indigenous disease, as opposed to an
accidental or intentional release of an altered form of a previously
classified bioweapon from plum island. granted, I'm in the speculative
realm now.

But I, for one, do not believe that Bb s.s. was discovered in 1981 by
burgdorfer. I believe it had previously been described by someone else,
and kept classified. steere may have been in or out of the loop...in
any event, in the early years of the outbreak, assuming they knew a
disastrous bioweapons incident was involved, they would not want to
acknowledge a bacterial origin at first. they would have to go through
the motions of wondering what the hell was going on. barnwarth's
syndrome? can we pretend it's barnwarth's? Steere and polly murray seem
to be reporting a lot of arthritic cases...and that looks more like
ross river virus. in any event, there was no proof of the etiology of
barnwarth's syndrome {in the PUBLIC DOMAIN} at the time of the lyme
outbreak, as far as I know.

What if Bb s.s. had been modified for heightened insect transmission?
The czechs are reporting a 6% carrying rate of Bb in certain
populations of culex mosquitoes. and there is an abnormal hybrid
population of culex mosquitoes in the northeastern US. Did you know
that? Did you know that no one {as far as I know} has ever pubbed on
this subject? That the early "mosquito's don't cause lyme" bull***
articles only studied aedes mosquitoes? etc.

What if?

Maybe things ARE as they appear. But I'm pretty sure, given that the
initial outbreak occurred at the height of the cold war, 10 miles from
a US bioweapons facility, in the middle of the megalopolis, that they
covered some *** up, or played pretend at least for a while. Maybe you
don't agree, but you should consider the alternative, at least.

have you read lab 257?

Did you know 1940's US bioweapons projects, during WW2, were described
by president roosevelt as rivalling the manhatten project in terms of
scope, depth, and discovery? And what happened with taub...why is all
his research from the 40's and 50's in the US classified to this day?
they even stole documents from the national archives.


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Subject: Michael Schwartz' Analysis of Allen Steere ...

There's something to be said for this kind of mentality (responding to
news
below). It's Allen Steere's mentality. Allow me to share Dr. Michael
Schwartz'
discussion on the psychopathology of Allen Steere. Note that Schwartz
and
James Phillips hang out at the same AAPP group. It's a small (phoney
baloney)
world after all.
http://www.actionlyme.org/SCHWARTZ_STEERE_PUNCH_MAD.htm

This is actually an interesting document. But something doesn't add up.
If Schwartz really got infected "in the mid-1970's," as he says, he
can't claim that it was definitively known that Lyme was caused by a
spirochete. There was vague speculation that ECM was caused by a
spirochete, but there was also a school of thought that it was caused by
a rickettsial bug, or a virus. There *were* papers in the European
literature that said that ECM responded to abx, which Steere chose not
to believe, but Schwartz can't fairly accuse Steere of *knowing* that a
spirochete was involved, since Bb wasn't discovered until 1981.

Still, the overall coldness and the placing of the research process
above the patient's interest are vintage Steere. That is quite
believable.

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