Re: Inappropriate Longterm Use of Antibiotics in "Sham vs. Wham: The Health Insider"

On May 29, 4:27 pm, djense...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On May 29, 1:18 pm, Snappy <freyf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On May 29, 3:01 am, pmerv <p...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 28, 4:32 pm, djense...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On May 28, 3:28 pm, Sewer Rat <ratfromthese...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

djense...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On May 28, 1:19 pm, Sewer Rat <ratfromthese...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How would you define "too-long"?

I believe that the maximum course of antibiotics recommended in these
new guidelines is 28 days,

That's hardly an answer.

I don't understand your question then, because I went back to the
report from the Infectious Diseases Society of America. and it said
14-28 days, for child/adult. I gave a very specific answer above,
thinking you were serious. Perhaps you are just attacking me, as often
happens on usenet.

Dave

Sewer Rat probably didn't LIKE your answer. S/he might have been a bit
happier if you had cited the other standard of care (www.ilads.org)
rather than IDSA's. Many of us have tried the IDSA "cure" and been
less than satisfied; ILADS has a better track record with sustained
remissions. [IDSA short-term treatment has a 63% failure rate; Dr.
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It's all well and good for healthy people with no understanding of the
spirochete's lifecylce to wax judmental about the "overuse" of
antibiotics.

If you and the IDSA (I don't say AAN here because its basically the
same people acting in collusion) are so concerned about antibiotics--
you should protest their huge overuse in cows, pigs and chickens first
before making judgments about sick people who are getting better with
antibiotic treatment. People are more valuable than animals.

Lyme disease is a complex illness and spirochetes are the most
complex of all bacterial forms. The borrelia spirochete organism has
a lifecycle that includes a spore or cyst form-- which means that
antibiotics are only helpful while the organism is in its spiral
form-- This is why patients get relief on antibiotics-- and it is
also why they relapse once they go off-- the spores just pop open as
soon as they sense an antibiotic free environment. When the
spirochete senses a pennicillin-- it reverts almost immediately to the
spore or cyst form-- the Brorsons of Norway, and many other
researchers have proven this fact through darkfield observation.
Lyme is also an intracellular bacteria that bores inside the body's
immune cells like macrophages.... Antibiotics need to outlast the life
of the cell in order to be effective. Yet American scientists at the
IDSA ignore these findings because they are shielding the insurance
industry-- and/or they care only about big research bucks in
Bioweapons which is not treatment oriented..

You would not deny long term antibiotics treatment for a TB patient---
so why do you insist on denying treatment to Lyme patients? You
have almost no evidence about the effectiveness of drug cocktails---
and since most of the reserach money is being diverted in bioweapons--
we most likely will not get any new studies regarding combination
treatment.

Its circular logic, fed by the media. This situation is starting
to look like the movie "28 Weeks Later" -- the part where the
governmnet just kills off all the "infected" and anyone in the same
area -- as collateral damage... and they have no interest in
reseraching a cure.

That's a very interesting post Snappy, thanks.

Of course, I am just a writer and have no relation to this "political"
element of Lyme disease, where groups of MD's are pitted against each
other. My post was about the overuse of antibiotics, in general,
starting with an anecdote of my own personal experiences of getting
antibiotics for cold and flu, from my family doctor. I used the data
on the new recommendations because it seemed as if doctors are finally
learning that antibiotics are dangerous -- that they have a downstream
effect that had been ignored for decades. The article in Sham. vs.
Wham is an analysis and personal opinion, and not specifically about
some treatment that is working for you on your own issues. Good news
that you've found something that works! I wish you the best of
health.

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Djense--
Thanks for your civilized response. You are right that antibiotics
are not appropriate for cold and flu-- which are viruses. Most docs
with 8 years of medical school know this and prescribe accordingly.
If some don't -- then they need to be educated---- but the zeal to
underprescribe should not harm Lyme patients who have serious form of
a relapsing fever--- a stealth bacterial parasite that responds to,
but is not totally cured by, antibiotics.

The last thing in the world that I want is antibiotics but I know
that they allow me to function --- hence the long term.....

I don't like it-- but it is better than being a wastebasket
diagnosis-- which is the immoral direction that IDSA is moving in with
respect to treating chronic lyme....

Good luck in your research,
snappy


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