Re: LOL Anothergirl aka lisa aka another freaking whacko on LNE

On Feb 11, 6:55�pm, cowabungab...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
So here's the update, itsybitchyone sounds reasonable, but another
girl just continues to prove her paranoia and insanity. I'm going to
post this then comment on it:

http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=568&st=0&sk=t&;...

Re: The Ballad of sci.med
by itsy on Mon 11 Feb 2008 23:05

I don't think they are paid.

Wow!

A sane-ish statement.

How ridiculous it is to suppose that ANYONE is paid to do anything on
the lyme boards.

No one has to do ANYTHING to make these people look ridiculous.

They do it all by themselves and with all due respect, no one could do
it better.


And I say THEY because THEY would get all huffy if I insinuated that
ALL THESE PEOPLE happen to insinuate that THEY are all one person.
THEY ARE very good at taking things out of context and picking it
apart. They are even funny sometimes.

Nothing out of context. Just responding to the things you say honey.
No need to take anything out of context.

What has happened is that things are said and then YOU try to take it
out of context or sarah does and that is pointed out.

But they aren't professionals.

LOL Again, almost sane.

Anyway...more importantly...if Another Girl knows a way that we can
accomplish getting Kathleen to stop the hate speak and get her talking
about lyme instead...by all means...do tell. I'll be on board.


Me too. All of us want to see her get help., And as hateful as the
things she says are, and as galling, we all know she is sick. We just
want the hate spew to stop and we think it would be a good idea for
any real lyme activists to dissosociate themselves from her crap
because it discredits everyone to associate themselves with someone
like that. It hurts the crediblity of anyone concerned about lyme to
rely on kathleen's statements of website.

My
original thought to LE was to go over there and have a conversation
and ignore the flames.

Ah see, there you go again. In your own words your original thought
was an experiment to prove your hypothesis that you couldn't have a
discussion about lyme here. You came here in bad faith to amuse
yourself. It is you taking things out of context.

Their flames were actually pretty damn funny
and while I haven't had time in days here at work to go over there,
its allright.

Thanks! I know I take pride in trying to be amusing while at the same
time I will hold you to some standard of logic and accuracy. It really
was offensive when you came here to make fun of us. I know that two of
us greeted you with serious discussions about Lyme and really didn't
get serious discussion back. It was dissapointing since we took you at
your word that your intentions were good until we saw your words which
made it clear that they weren't.

In any case, if Anygirl has a bonafied gameplan as to how to
accomplish said mission, I'm on board. I'd love to see Kathleen get
help and stop what she is doing...and I even have some questions for
her. As for the guys over there (with an S...NOT JUST ONE...lol) they
despise me right now but it is rather humorous overall.

Despise what you did not you. If you came in good faith or operated
that way, I'd have no problem with you and I'm sure thirdman and sewer
rat wouldn't either--not speaking for them, not authorized to and we
ARE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, posting from chicago IL, NYC, NY and the
Netherlands, check the IP addresses.

Not just one person, and definately NOT professionals.

Yes you are right and you are right.

Just Lyme patients like you, who actually share many concerns that you
and scratchy and cave and others have raised.

Surprising and dissapointing to be excoriated by all of you who have
been excoriated for expressing different opinions than the Lymenuts.
You've been treated badly so one would think you'd be sympathetic but
no.

And if you had to put up with kathleen (not to mention that shithead
chuck) ruining the newsgroup, you even admitted you'd be pissed off
too. Not only because the newsgroup is ruined by them NOT US, but
because it deprives lyme patients of what even sarah says used to be a
great resource.


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Re: The Ballad of sci.med
by AnotherGirl on Tue 12 Feb 2008 0:09

Hi, Thanks Lyme enigma-- its so nice to be welcomed with a positve
comment ...

Funny snapcrackle must have noticed the skepticism of minitails'
response.


I want to thank and encourage all posters here and everywhere who are
not afraid to talk about the medical fraud and lies that these evil
men have perpetrated on the American public... These men -- many of
whom are at scil.med.disease.lyme--- some of whom are IDSA sockpuppets
-- should be tried and convicted of fraud--- Vaccine fraud, research
fraud, medical lies and deceit.

I think anothergirl was asked for some evidence of all this crap?
Repeating the same conspiracy theories is NOT evidence of anything
other than her being a conspiracy theorist. Despite kathleen insisting
that whatever she says is true even when it demonstrably is NOT,
repeating crap multiple times doesn't make it true.


Kathleen, Lisa, Karen, Carla, Sarah and numerous other private
citizens and caring Doctors have experienced the evil , manipulation
and depravity of this cabal up close and personal:

Again evidence rather than repeating crap?

Kathleen and Lisa were jailed, threatened and harassed.


Because they were guilty guilty guilty and proven so in courts of law
they were jailed.

They are the harassers, kathleen was CONVICTED of harassment.

Caring LLMD doctors have been convicted, harassed and discredited and
they risk their licenses to treat us.


Some have been. Some were ripping people off or committing other
crimes. Some were taking advantage of Lyme patients. Yes there are
some victims of witchunts (burrascano comes to mind and dr jones) but
the others?

Carla was threatened and impersonated.


Don't even know who the f carla is.


Sarah has been threatened and impersonated.


Threatened? I don't think so. Impersonated? So was thirdman. chuck is
an ***.

Karen was threatened, sued and her foundation was financially
depeleted

As the court cases proved, karen did her share of threatening back and
she sued mcsweegan too. They both were wrong and acting like children
and it made both look bad.

Her foundation was depleted by her own actions and the fact that she
got into an ego battle with pat smith and the lda instead of working
together. I sure hope she didn't use non profit money to fund her own
lawsuit and personal problems with mcsweegan. That would be a misuse
of those funds meant for patient support, education and other
legitimate goals of the LDF.

And you can't blame third man or me or sewer rat or your other
imaginary enemies for what mcsweegan did or nowakowski did or what
chuck does any more than we can blame you for the hate that kathleen
spews except that you deliberately associate yourself with her and are
tarred by that choice.

Which is why we agree she needs help but that people who care about
her and the lyme cause need to dissasociate themselves from her it
destroys your credibility by failing to do so, worse if you choose to
deliberately remain associated with her.

And the list goes on and on.. and is worthy more of Soviet
Russia than America.

Rolling eyes %

If some of you don't think the above is a PATTERN, then PLEASE PLEASE
OPEN YOUR EYES....

Right back at ya psychobitch.


YOU are next on their dirty tricks list.. and the lack of research on
a cure will be on the SHOULDERS of every Lyme victim who did not speak
out about this obscenity.

Or who don't speak out about kathleen's obsenities and hate and who
choose to associate themselves with her and continue on with the same
old failed and failed again and again and again lyme activism crap.

So I am BEGGING you-- if you are suffering from chronic Lyme--- please
wake up. Don't close your eyes to the scientific lies, the persecution
and the evil.

Please I am BEGGING you--take your meds!

These incidents are very frightening... they are coordinated... and
they are worthy only of a police state-- not an America with liberty
and freedom for all ---- where a person has a right to pursue
happiness and where criminals and liars who hurt thousands are
convicted.

Right because it is all a big government conspiracy linked to
chemtrails and plum island and project ultra and project paperclip and
the kennedy assasination and roswell and the teapot dome scandal and
the lincoln assasination conspiracy and the freemasons and the knights
templar going back to time immemorium....

blah blah blah blah

BEGGING YOU--take your meds!

Wake up people. If you don't speak up, you will be next on their hit
lists. And it might be something worse than Lyme... we owe it to our
children to speak out about this fraud-- only then will we get more
funding for research into a cure.

I pray that you don't have children.

Thank you to all the brave people who are hip to what is really going
on here:

I agree with everything Sarah had to say in the following post:

We get newbies who do not realize

1. there is a long history of fake characters on lYme groups who
purposefully wreak havoc & try to destroy the group, to destroy key
people, to destroy ILADS & ILADS ideals

Bull***! And most of the people on LNE have been subject to troll
hunts not because they are trolls but because they disagree with some
of the people there and the crap they post about and sell and
ridiculous things they say and how they can't tolerate people who
disagree.

Declaring troll hunts is not the same as proving that someone is out
to destroy the group.

ILADS? LOL Destroy ILADS ideals? What ideals? ILADS is a joke and
they've made themselves a joke. Self published guidelines with no
evidence base and published in the most obscure journal on the planet
with no true peer review and the organization refuses to have any
standards for their doctors too many of whom rip the patients off,
practice sloppy medicine, sell crap out of their offices etc etc and
who elect someone with a proven history of academic fraud to be their
leader?

Gimme a break

2. that the above is absolutely true. and was documented.

Bull***.

The Ballad of sci.med

Once up on a time, there was a Lyme group that was the best on the
Internet, called sci.med.diseases.lyme
It was filled with patients, doctors, activists. It was a good,
thoughtful place.

Then trolls came. They made up fake identities and posted every day
for hours.

Nowakowski (jopn) and chuck yeah. But part of it was that if
nowakowski disagreed with someone he got flamed. By well meaning
nitwits. Blame him for not suffering fools gladly. Blame him for being
as juvenile in his reponses as they were in their flames. So what?

That doesn't prove your conspiracy.

They pretended to be Lyme patietns but disrupted the group through
infighting so the gorup would be ineffective.

Actually from what I've seen, what happens is exactly what happens on
lymenut and has happened to some of you folks. Disagree and get flamed
accused of sowing dissension and called a troll.

What makes the group ineffective is group think and intolerance of
people who disagree or dare to question the choir when it is singing
off key. The sowers of dissension are NOT cave for example for posting
information and asking skeptical questions about sputnik and detoxing
and cowden and marshall and salt and vit c and stuff it is the
tincupshitheads who then call cave an instigator and pretend they're
doing god's work because they are holier than thou.

One Lyme patient with money, I know him, paid a prviate detective to
track down peoples accounts and found quite a few were at the same
address which had appeared to be truly different peopple, Lyme
patients with different ideas. ONE hostile account was tracked to the
account of an IDSA DOCTOR, jopn- Nowakowski.

Yes one account.

Then there was Chuck. Who IS Chuck? Is Chuck McSweegan? Chuck was a
character who spends hours every day on sci/med destroying people.
Hours a day!!! he is not a Lyme patient.

How do you know who chuck is? Pay someone to find out then come and
tell us. Get some evidence. Maybe he is a 15 year old child he acts
like it. Maybe he is a disgruntled lyme patient. maybe he is what he
said, someone who thinks he got ripped off by a lyme doctor. Who
knows? I have seen lyme enema be critical and skeptical because she
feels she got ripped off by an llmd. So?

Kathleen Dickson was are best and our strongest activist- she alone is
responsible for the Richard Blumenthal investigation. She was
brilliant, committed, and wonderful.

You have to be kidding? Never true. Maybe the most persistent and
annoying and insane. Responsible for the blumenthal investigation? God
if anything he must hate her since she constantly spams him and then
accuses him of corruption and incompetence.

No from what I hear it was others responsible for the waste of time
and money that is the blumenthal investigation. Same ones who wasted
everyone's time on the GAO conflicts of interest investigation
claiming they had the goods which they never had in the first place.

Saying "conflicts of interest" or "rico" or "fraud" or "murder" or
"crimes against humanity": or whatever no matter how many times to how
many people doesn't make any of it true.

God sarah you really do not have the common sense that one would
presume god gave you at birth.

You, Derek, have probably never heard of her, or all the other newbies
at LN.

Whoever derek is?

She got told they were going to take her children away.
No, not by CPS, by CHUCK, by the trolls at sci.med.
The day before they did she got taunted about it- and THEY DID.

LOL So everyone knew there was a hearing coming up and from what she
was saying it was obvious that she would lose. Actually what happened
was that her kids already had been taken away. She was lying. That
part of the proceedings against her was over. She was facing a
criminal trial for harassment and stalking. She LIED to everyone and
told them that it was a custody hearing. THAT WAS ALREADY OVER! She
fled to canada, was caught brought back and then convicted and sent to
the mental institution.

If chuck knew anything he would have known that it wasn't a custody
hearing., That had already happened. Over and done with.

So the day before her hearing she fled to canada. She had been lying
to everyone all along.

God sarah you don't even come close to having your facts straight
again.

And you know what? Anyone with any sense unlike YOU who Can't
Understand Normal Thinking, could tell that she would lose her kids
from what she was saying. Any idiot would know that. It was so obvious
that she was so insane, the stuff she posted on sci med and everywhere
else made it obvious that she had done things that required the state
to intervene to protect her kids. if she cared she would have
stoppped. The case against her was NOT about Lyme disease it just
wasn't.

A shame that you won't let the actual facts stand in the way of your
opinons and then some other lunatic comes along and bases their
opinions on yours and kathleens and it is a never ending cycle of
bull*** piled on bull*** piled on the rantings of one of the most
insane people in the history of insanity and mental illness and then
roll it all up and it is crap crap crap sarah.

I guess opinions are like assholes everyone has one and god love you
you're entitled to yours. But your facts are wrong, the conclusions
you draw from them unwarranted and in the end it ends up making you
look the complete fool. Or maybe it is more dissembling who knows?
Then it becomes fodder for lunatics like snapcrackle and lisa and well
god help you all.

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