Re: Sarah regarding the awful false report to child services

On Feb 14, 4:39�pm, itsybitsy...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
I didn't like your original entree here. But overall I think you sound
pretty reasonable. I don't think the same of your friend Lyme enema.

Well, I apologise for thinking you were a jerk.

I guess I can be a jerk sometimes. And posting things calling kathleen
a POS and neo nazi are kind of jerky. Overreacted to the never ending
spam and the hate spew. I have changed the response to: "IGNORE KRAZY
KATHLEEN'S OFF TOPIC GARBAGE SPAM DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND SCROLL ON
BY"

I guess I( could remove the epithet "krazy" (and I know crazy is
spelled with a 'c' but I am making it alliterative by using the k for
krazy to go with K for kathleen--poetic license). But the krazy is
part of the warning. And true.

Sincerely. I
understand where you are coming from even if I don't always agree with
the method.

If there was some alternative as you guys have suggested I would use
it and I bet so would others.

But this is a usenet group. There is no banning deleting etc

So when we click on this site which as even sarah said used to be the
best site around, and we see non stop spamming with offensive titles
which are 99% off topic it just makes me sick. So I am burying
kathleen's posts with the not so offensive in my opinion "IGNORE KRAZY
KATHLEEN'S OFF TOPIC GARBAGE SPAM DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND SCROLL ON
BY"

You guys have suggested not responding at all.

If you look back by using the OLDER POSTS thing at the bottom of the
page and go back 11 or 12 pages and then scroll back from there to a
time before I was posting at all here, you will see that she spams
this group with her offensive garbage whether or not people respond.

It is like grafitti and not grafiti that is art. Like scrawling NASTY
JEWS not grafitti art.

No one was responding. It was just as bad.

So I am whitewashing over her garbage.

I have let two of her close to on topic posts stand. And urged her
that if she would post on topic (preferably without her insane
distored hyperbolic commentary but just articles) I would not disturb
her posts. Again, preferably without her commentary but so long as her
commentary isn't hate spew towards all men in the world, jews, israel,
Asst atty genl Jessica Gauvin and other defamatory crap, I won't
disturb informative articles and posts about LYME DISEASE or related
topics even with her commentary.

LE's pretty cool if you get to know her. She is on the 'same
side'...she's just more emotionally driven, IMHO. We've been chatting
for a few months now and to be honest, while I don't always understand
why she lets certain things get under her skin, I respect her because
she's willing to say what's on her mind and not back down just to 'fit
in'. She's never been mean to me, I can say that.

I've seen her be pretty consistently mean to others. Like minitails.
And endorses some of the crazy conspiracy theories--her right but not
something that is going to make me respect her. But hey she's entitled
to her opinion. But the personal attacks on minitails and us here are
going to be responded to in kind.

I thought you made a bad start here. But I am willing to have a truce
and forgive if not forget. I think you sound pretty balanced. I don't
always agree with you but I don't have to agree with you. And I can
agree to disagree and disagree with some civility so long as that is
the terms of our relationship. Instead of deceit. I really was angry
since when you first came here, I took you seriously and at your word,
answered seriously and then found out about the intended deceit and
game playing.

Since then I've seen some contrition on your part and hey whatever.

I am happy to have serious talks about Lyme.

Yes I think in many ways we agree on many subjects. Heck as hostile as
cave is I agree with him or her about an awful lot of things. and rita
stanley is a breath of appropriately skeptical fresh air. LE has her
moments I guess but I'm not generally impressed overall to be honest.
I like minitails too although don't agree with everything she says.

Don't be afraid to speak your mind. Otherwise the place will become
like Lymenut america.

I probably WILL speak my mind, once emotions cool a bit. No, I don't
want to se eit get like lymenut either, but I'm not crazy enough to go
up against them when the emotions are high. Being a girl, I know
better than to razzle the girls when feelings are at a high. Cause I'm
not looking for a fight. I'm looking first to let you guys know I
don't think its you and I'll express my feelings over there once
everyone isn't quite as upset.



What happened with sarah was unfortunate and awful for someone to make
an obviously vindictive false report.

Indeed. That's a hurtful thing to do, something that should never be
done.

Absolutely. And since my further research shows that she can get
someone (assuming the information about who made the report wasn't
submitted anonymously) I hope she does.

I agree with 3rdman, maybe she has no damages but she can do this as
"lyme activism" and out whoever it was.


But what it shows is that the system works. There was no conspiracy
such as kathleen alleges and raves about. The child services folks
came out and investigated. Found no problem. Said the kid was fine.
apologized to sarah.

As it should be.

Yes. But I'd rather see them investigate reports and dismiss them when
unfounded then not investigate and leave children potentially at risk.
In fact, if it meant people being subject to 10 false reports for
every valid one, in my opinion that is a price worth paying since
saving that one child is so important.

It is really unfortunate that sarah would then choose to associate
herself with kathleen and lisa. Bad association. Bad analogy.

Are you married, Cow?

Hey I'll call you itchy (or itsy even) if you call me bart or bunga. I
don't like cow. Should have seen that and chucks "moo"s coming.

Do you know that a woman's mind goes MUSH when
something about her kids scares her?

Well I don't have to be married to understand that. And that women are
often very emotionally driven as you refer to talking about LE.


I agree, bad analogy...but the
same analogy that another girl made before she started getting
loopy...

Actually another girl aka snappy started out loopy. She pretended for
a second in her first post but by the second or third paragraph her
loopiness as you call it was obvious. She can't ever contain herself
for more than a few sentences. Even some of her later posts she
pretends to be sane for a sentence or two but can never hold it
together longer than that.

so I think its just that her mind went there when she was upset.

Actually it is sort of a pattern with sarah. she finally admitted to
seeing kathleens hate spew and anti semitism (although it isn't just
the anti semitism it is all the hate spew towards so many people
groups institutions). But immediately returns to defending and
validating her based on some mythic and inaccurate remembrances of
what she thinks kathleen was but what kathleen never was. Katleen's
been insane for much longer than she's been involved with lyme and
much longer than she's been posting here or anywhere on the internet.

We females SAY lots of things that don't make sense when we are
upset. If you didn't notice. :)

Uh yeah I've noticed. ;-) I have dated and been in relationships.

Its not an excuse...its a fact of
life, and even some girls don't like to admit it about themselves.

I even doubt chucky would. Or the bride of chucky. He's all post and
no action. A pest an annoyance a jerk. But harmless so far as I can
tell.

Does chucky even know how to dial a phone? Can he find california on a
map?

Chucky isn't all that bright. I don't know all the limits of his
intelligence. And he really is a jerk, not because of his opinions but
because of his insistence on screwing this place up for fun or spite
or whatever. When he changes on topic threads to OT that is just fing
with sick people trying to use this place. When I change kathleens
hate spew off topic crap to "IGNORE KRAZY KATHLEEN'S OFF TOPIC GARBAGE
SPAM DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND SCROLL ON BY" I am just whitewashing over
the graifitti.

3rdman is right, they're both crazy.

McSweegan? He has his opinons and his right to them so far as I'm
concerned. He makes some valid points. I don't agree with all his
views. He got in a personal battle with the LDF and karen forschner
but from my perspective they both acted like children. I doubt he did
this.

I have no opinion on that one. He doesn't seem like a nice person, but
there are plenty of not-so-nice people that I wouldn't consider a
suspect.

I have no idea. Not defending him. Just saying we don't know. We have
as much reason to believe it is rifers as him. Or IDSA guys like I
said who might have done it out of sincere concern rather than spite.
Of course on that one I'm assuming that when sarah says she was
corresponding with them I assume she did what she always does which is
share painful details of all aspects of her life and her
children.Which shows a lack of common sense and discretion.

Although sarah did threaten him so who knows? People don't like being
threatened.

True. And she did post it everywhere, that she threatened him. But she
posts her name and phone number and stuff...I have given my phone to
people I have met online. But not to the whole forum!!

Again lack of common sense and discretion. And it isn't that she's
some newbie to the net sincerely trying to help and then finding out
the hard truth about the internet. No she's an oldtimer and ought to
know better.

I don't think you have to remain totally anonymous but using common
sense would be a good idea.

And sarah's total drama queen overreaction to the whole thing might
have pissed him off even more. Or amused him who knows?

Well, we don't know.

Right who knows?


Yes saw her garbage. You're either with her or against her--along with
the rest of the universe. And really it is you are with her until she
decides in her paranoid psychotic delusional mind that you're against
her. She's not crazy the rest of the world is. And the conspiracy
theories which all center around her and her mythical hero friends
like kathleen and lisa and go back to the beginning of time.

I look at conspiracy theories with curiosity. I guess I see it like a
science fiction/horror novel. I always think when I read Kathleen's
stuff about Dean Koontx books...Like "Watchers".

I always think of paranoid schizophrenics ranting and raving with tin
foil hats on their heads.


Who knows? I tend to think the rife people because sarah threatened
them with the same thing just days earlier. Seems like cause and
effect and they responded in kind. They are fanatics,

Of course when sarah made the threat and then it happened to her some
might say now the shoe is on the other foot. Wouldn't have been right
for her an advocate of health freedom to call child services on them
or vice versa.

The thing is, I don't even think she would have. I think she posted
that to make a point that this is an unproven, crazy invention and
anyone using it doesn't even know whether it is good, bad or benign
and that if a kid REALLY has Lyme, maybe its abuse or neglect or
something to use an experimental (at best) treatment on a kid.


I don't think she would have either. But she said it and if it was a
rifer who made the report, they did her one better--they did what she
said she would do whether she would have done it or not.

Also since many don't approve of long term abx and consider them as
bad or worse than rife machines (which are PROBABLY a harmless waste
of money and time and harmful only if they deter people from getting
real treatment) then the problem is that she is hypocrite for
insisting that she should have the right to choose what she thinks
best but others shouldn't. That's my point.

Howevere, I wouldn't have threatened to call child services on the
people, I would have just stated it like I did to you just now. I
guess we all have our ways of doing things, but I think Sarah is
benign as far as that's concerned and I think it was just an off the
cuff anti-altervista comment. If this was retaliation for that
comment, it was wrong, still, because Sarah's kids weren't involved in
the incident.

Absolutely it was wrong. And sarah's kids are innocent victims. For
whom everything turned out okay thank goodness. But sarah shares
responsibility (not equally but it couldn't have happened without her
participation). Whether it was rifers, mcsweegan, IDSA guys she was
corresponding with, a neighbor or whoever, it wouldn't have happened
if sarah thought before blabbering, used some common sense and
discretion.


I'm not a fan of rife machines or most of the variously nutty
expensive and sometimes dangerous crap that lymenet seems to be the
central headquarters for (and public health alert although scott has
what, 100 billion lyme patients as his fans?)

LOL...I guess if he says so! I have looked at PHA. I hope opening it
and reading it doesn't make a fan out of me.

LOL Didn't really think of that. It is a shame that some of the
"llmds" allow themselves to be published there. Subtracts rather than
adds crediblity.

I open a lot of sites
while reading and learning of which I am not a fan. But I keep saying
I am in the wrong business. I could make a whole LOT more $$$ taking
advatage of people!

Probably. I don't know what you do or how much you make or how much $$
$ you have. If you're rich and unmarried please post a pic somewhere.

Yes women may be emotional and I may be superficial.

Too machiavellian for them. They couldn't think of such a clever
thing. They tend to have trouble adding one plus one. Generally
couldn't think their way out of a paper bag. And most of them were no
better before lyme and accompanying cognitive problems.

Heck, I have cognitive problems and that was my very first thought.


Well letting water under the bridge be water under the bridge you did
seem to have a machiavellian plan when you came here in the first
place and none of us suspected that you did and in our naivetee took
you at face value. Maybe you just think that way? ;-)

Not meant to be an insult just observation. Might be a character flaw
in some circumstances but a real gift in others. Ever consider working
for the cia if you don't already? ;-) (don't let snappy think you
work for the cia)

I sure don't think that way though.

But maybe you are right...possibly I give her too much
'credit'...because that does imply plotting and planning.

If by her you mean snappy (not sure who you mean) I think giving her
any credit is way too much credit. So far as I can tell she is not
creditworthy. She's a mental traffic accident.


LOL Thanks! Do you like lyme enema? The name not the often nasty
person

Its funny. Not as funny as Itchy. Though it gets 2 points for
creativity.


Well at first it was itchy then itsy bitchy but I am going back to
itsy or maybe itchy. You must be a simpson's fan?
.

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