Re: GREED Drives Pharma

From: Robert (Robert_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 06/20/04 

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:34:30 -0700

"tcomeau" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > it.
> > > > How can you get an independent medical opinion from doctors who are
> > bought
> > > > buy the drug companies and read articles written by those same
> > companies?
> > > > The answer is that it has been going on for many years and you
simply
> > find
> > > > somebody you can trust until he does something that is
untrustworthy.
> > >
> > > I did not say anything about an independent opinion. I said an
> > > opinion. Doctors cannot be trusted to make the final decision
> > > regarding your health care. That is your responsibility.
> > Unless you can pay for your own health care those decisions are made for
you
> > whether you like it or not. You can refuse anything you like you can't
just
> > ask for anything you want.
> >
>
> Bull***. I make the decisions, period. I can as for an opinion and I
> will get one. Why? Because in Canada the doctors, as ill trained as
> they are, are virtually civil servants. And that is the way it ought
> to be. Except for the poor training part.
Oh, the doctors there are getting the message allright. They are coming to
the US and getting more training and staying here. Thank you Canada.

>
> > > >
> > > > We have and we do. People were dying with AIDS within months. They,
> > people
> > > > with HIV, protested and wanted changes handcuffing the drug
companies.
> > Fast
> > > > track examptions were passed and many newer drugs were developed and
put
> > in
> > > > use. This was unprecedented and completely opposite of what people
here
> > are
> > > > asking for. They made it easier on the drug companies for patent
money
> > > > making and lawsuits and toxicity etc.
> > > > Bottom line people are living with HIV for years now.
> > > > Clamp down on everybody and you get no change for years and years.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You may, I don't.
> > >
> > > Are you aware that the HIV/AIDS connection has never been shown to
> > > meet Koch's Postulates. The AIDS debacle is another example of
> > > unfettered greed in the medical and reseach field.
> >
> > You wrong there as it has passed Koch's postulates through laboratory
> > accidents. Pure cultures of HIV needle stick at CDC and the person later
> > died.
> >
>
> Show me the study or report that demonstrates clearly that it has met
> Koch's postulates. Give me the name of one person who has died from
> HIV/AIDS from a needle stick. Give me the name of even one person that
> has been demonstrated to be HIV positive from only a needle stick and
> who later developed anything even resembling any of the symptoms of
> AIDS.

You really got to be kidding about giving names dude.
1. Microorganisms must be found in all cases of the disease.
     PCR DNA is positive in all patients with HIV.
 2. The organism must be isolated and grown in pure culture.
     Improvements in co-culture techniques have allowed isolation of HIV in
virtually all AIDS patients.
3. Organism must be found in experimental host so infected.
  Three laboratory workers developed AIDS after accidental exposure to
concentrated HIVIIIB in the laboratory.
(Blattner et al 1993; Reitz et al 1994; Colton 1994)
Two in 1985 and one in 1991. All three had HIVIIIB isolated.
As of Dec 31 CDC reviewed reports of 42 health care workers with documented
occupational exposure and without other risk factors accquire HIV. 17 people
developed AIDS.

They have some good medication that will help you out with all this
conspiracy that they are out to get me stuff.
That being said, you scared tha *** out of me that I must say I have had
enough. Anybody who is out in left field can have the entire ball park dude.

A guy is visiting a friend at a mental health center when he tries to leave
but can't because his car won't start. Another guy arriving gives him a hand
at looking under the hood. Finds a lose cable and it starts up. He thanks
the guy and asks him why he is there.
He says that he is there because he is crazy, not stupid.

Thanks for the help.

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