Re: "Statins caused my kidney failure"

From: Herman Rubin (hrubin_at_odds.stat.purdue.edu)
Date: 07/14/04 

Date: 13 Jul 2004 20:10:14 -0500

In article <10f3ak9ps4evgd7@corp.supernews.com>,
Robert <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Herman Rubin" <hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu> wrote in message
>news:ccs6h4$51co@odds.stat.purdue.edu...
>> In article <10f2veso3e8aif0@corp.supernews.com>,
>> Robert <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >"Herman Rubin" <hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu> wrote in message
>> >news:ccriap$qa6@odds.stat.purdue.edu...
>> >> In article <J6EHc.13807$yy1.4318@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
>> >> George Conklin <nilknoc@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> >> >"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:10etv2ht07l5g93@corp.supernews.com...

>> >> >> "George Conklin" <nilknoc@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:6JvHc.7971$sD4.715@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

>> >> >> > "Herman Rubin" <hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:ccl0n2$2c5q@odds.stat.purdue.edu...
>> >> >> > > In article <25e68f26.0407070733.41be7349@posting.google.com>,
>> >> >> > > Pete C. <peterc_7@hotmail.com> wrote:

                         ........................

>> >With the money you guys get selling T-shirts you can use it to pay the
>> >researchers to publish insignificant results. I think that is a great
>idea.
>> >Good idea Herman thanks.

>> NOT so good. It is hard to keep up with the literature now.
>> Ten times as much, the publishers could not handle.

>> But the manufacturer of a device could provide the known
>> information, including negative, to prospective purchasers.

>Bad idea Herman. Why trust the company to provide anything that you want or
>need? They already are supposed to give that to the FDA remember. All
>adverse events are reported.

This is not the case, and it is not their fault. After a drug
is approved, they have no way of getting physicians and patients
to report any bad effects. Physicians are the real villains here.

But you do not get the point. There are cases where drugs
should be used which are not approved by the FDA, acting
inappropriately in many ways, including political. Also,
in many cases, drugs should be made available which the
manufacturer is not willing to spend hundreds of millions
of dollars satisfying the FDA. My proposal is that full
disclosure, which means more than many seem to think, should
protect the manufacturer from lawsuits. Right now, most
people think that a drug approved by the FDA is safe and
effective as prescribed, and will leave decisions to their
physicians. These are not taking responsibility.

>Why not have the government do all the clinical studies to evaluate a new
>drug and all your negative finding studies?

Can you imagine a government agency spending hundreds of
millions on testing a drug, when most will not even make
it to market?

Government support of research, originally put in by the
military to stimulate pure research, is now directing and
limiting research. It is even limiting research not funded
by the government.

                Isn't the role of government to
>protect the individual or is it to protect the corporation?

It is to protect the individual agaInst force and fraud.
My proposal is to avoid fraud, and we now have fraud even
instituted by the government. We have just had an official
government announcement recommending the use of statins
on the basis of the same data I have found insufficient and
badly obtained. You can do something about individual and
corporate mishandling, and our fraud legislation is sadly
lacking. But what can you do about government people? It
is even hard to fire the ones who really make most of the
decisions.
                        Answer, is for
>the government to trust the company that it will do the right thing. They
>trust the corporation more than they trust the individual.

I do not trust the corporation, but it should not be the
corporation which is responsible, but rather any individual
which withholds information; that is fraud. 

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