Re: PHYSICIANS - WILDLY SUCCESSFUL MARKETING NETWORK

From: MikeV (mvidler_at_inamenospam.com)
Date: 07/21/04 

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:26:19 GMT

"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "MikeV" <mvidler@inamenospam.com> wrote in message
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> > "Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "MikeV" <mvidler@inamenospam.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it.
> > > > Do you have one?
> > > > MikeV
> > >
> > > Mike are you Canadian and think the US is evil too.
> > >
> >
> >
> > The answers to your question(s) are no and no.
> >
> > However I believe that excessive concentrations of power in society,
> whether
> > in the form of a communist government, or a medieval Roman catholic
> Church,
> > or a 19th century industrial oligarchy, unfettered trades unions, or
> > putative monopolies, the military industrial complex, and now the
> > pharmaco-government complex may potentially put us all at risk.
> > The beauty of the American form of democracy, is that we are free,
> whenever
> > we sense a tail beginning to wag the dog, we are free to speak up about
> it,
> > and in our own small way exert a counter balancing influence.
> > IMHO, at present we are at considerable risk from the pill culture
and
> > its pervasive influence on both the government, and our cultural
behavior.
>
> If you are American I have no problem with that. Americans should decide
> what goes on in America. I do believe that it is a balancing act. I also
> believe that what has happened is by our own design and it is not set in
> stone.

Sorry to inform you that the notion of "Fortress America" is now as dated as
the ancient Rome and the British Empire on which the sun would supposedly
"will never set".
You may have failed to notice that the Pill Culture is an international
phenomenon, with research and manufacturing by multi national corporations
all over the world.
IMHO however, nobody exceeds us in the level of governmental influence
exerted.

> > I do not think that it can yet be characterized as a conspiracy. I do
> think
> > that dangerous trends are at work in our health, nutrition and
government
> > which we may well live to regret. (there are many such as the 40+% who
> > cannot afford insurance, who regret it already)
> > It would be my most urgent desire to see at least one half of all US
> medical
> > research funds directed toward prevention, rather than treatment
> As for people not affording health insurence, let me say that the ER's of
> all hospitals are full to capacity with people like that. They get their
> medical needs taken care of by hospitals. Not ideal by no means.
> As to prevention, the problem lies at the basic research level. The basic
> research isn't there to "cure" in preventing something people know very
> little about. People can study something until they are blue in the face
but
> if it's not followed up with commercial ventures then it's useless.
> Penicillin would still be in a dish.
> Prevention is a hard sell. You must tell somebody to change their
lifestyle
> and it just won't happen. The denial is tremendous and look at the statin
> meds for prevention of coronary artery disease. It is very expensive, and
> exposes a large group of people to dangerous drugs. It is less than ideal
> and it will change in time but people don't trust anybody who says take
this
> and it will prevent something. The cultural emphasis is on treating those
> who are sick because they are also the most compliant.
>
Regrettably so, and to our great cost.

> > While we're at it, lets find a way to get the effects of institutional
> > contributions out of our electoral process.
> What happened to term limits?

Ineffective. Our democracy is at risk. However, I grant you it is still the
best government money can buy.
>
> >
> > FWIW I am 68, healthy, am in my 7th year without any prescription drug,
> and
> > have never taken drugs other than a rare antibiotic.
>
> Good for you. Taking drugs is no fun and neither is chronic illness. If
you
> are eventually put on any, you will not by very happy with them.
> >
> > I believe that the profit motive serves us well, as long as we ensure
that
> > the self-interest is 'enlightened', and reasonably harnessed for the
> greater
> > benefit of society.
>
> You can't really micro manage private enterprise. It works largely for the
> benefit of society. Our eyes are sometimes bigger than our pocket books
> however so not everyone will be happy.

No argument.
> >
> > Glad you were interested enough to ask, Robert!
> >
> > Constructive comments welcome.
> >
> > MikeV
> >
> Your maturity shows there Mike. Can't really argue with anything you said.
I
> have been doing hospital work for 25 years so I do have my own point of
view
> concerning medical issues and the problems in dealing with those things.
> >

How is it you failed to note my intelligence, humor, and sensitivity, and
personal beauty, Robert? :-}

Seriously, though, your recent posts lead me to another question relating to
maturity and experience:

How effective have you found it to be over the years?

I mean of course, mindless ranting, at a level far below your apparent
intelligence.
Does it work? On whom? Any evidence?
Does not the word science in the the group's title suggest that a higher
"RRR" (reason to rant ratio) would have more effect, not to speak of gaining
more respect.
Regards
MikeV

In case you are interested, I am neither a Republican, nor a Democrat.

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