Re: CANADIAN DRUGS AREN'T THE CURE

From: Robert (RobertJ_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 08/23/04 

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:18:22 -0700

"CB" <bellecd@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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> "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "magnulus" <magnulus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > > Sounds like Big Pharma is engaged in racketeering. IMO, the US
> > > government should punish these companies: seize the patents on the
drugs
> > and
> > > make them available as generics. If these CEO's protest, then the
> > > government should press charges under the RICO Act.
> > >
> > >
> > Seize the patents? Why not seize the companies also. That is why I say
> that
> > a single socialistic system can not stand. Go for it. In the long run it
> > will prove very cheap as new drugs will not be developed and thus the
cost
> > will indeed be controlled. You will get a very cheap system like Cuba.
No
> > MRI or any advances in medicine as most advances are expensive. In order
> to
> > give better care to those without insurance you want to drag medicine to
> as
> > low as you can make it with long waits and outdated technology.
> > Instead of trying to figure out how to give away everything for free to
> > those who do not want to work why not just leave to go to a communist
> > country. There is a huge influx of people into communist countries and
> > that's why they have closed borders.
> >
> When I went to the local Emergency last month with chest pains, I was
> admitted within five minutes, in a private bed on EKG and medications
within
> half an hour, and undergoing angioplasty by next morning. Admittedly, I
> live in a large city with good facilities; but I am not rich and I don't
> have influential friends. My friends and relatives have had equally good
> treatment over the years.
>
> Of course there are problems under the Canadian system, as
You don't really believe that as you state below concerning the US system.

there are under
> the American or any system. But a lot of the bad press we get is just
> that -- bad press. On one hand, most of the newspapers and many of the

Blame it on the press and you need to blame it on the politicians like Zee
does. Blame it on everybody else except your system that allows it to
happen.

> electronic media in Canada have been taken over by committed right-wing
> ideologues (I understand much the same thing has happened in the US) who

Spoke to soon as here comes the political ideology arguement. What does
political ideology have to do with healthcare? Sorry I forgot ,as in Canada
it is totally political. It is run by politicians.

> seize on any example of trouble and loudly give it the worst possible
> interpretation. On the other hand, the Canadian system itself gives rise
to
> higher expectations than the US system does, since everyone here expects
> equal access to a high standard of care. People who then find they have
to
> wait tend to get noisy about it.
They get "noisy" about it? About what? About the fact that the government
closes down medical centers and equipment in order to save money and deny
services to people. They have to travel large distances and delay in care?

 In the US, where the criterion for getting
> good care is how fat your wallet is, instead of first-come-first-served
and

Private insurance covers most medical procedures and all hospitals do not
base ability to pay as entry into the ER. Triage is based on urgency.
> urgency, it's understood that poor people with cancer will wait, maybe
> forever, while rich people get same-day treatment.
Poor people will wait because they fall under the state and or federal
healthcare program, a program you love where people wait. Private insurance
has less wait as do private insurance companies working in Canada. That is
the debate in Canada whether to be able to get self paying customers first
and then to take your own government paid patients second.

  Many of these
> unfortunates have even been convinced that their sufferings are their own
> fault, for being poor in the first place.

A lot of their suffering comes from being poor something of which a
healthcare system does not address unless you have a single payer for food
and housing for "all" canadians.
>
> The bottom line, for our system (and the systems of most of the civilized
> world) is that getting sick is not the end of your hopes. You won't have
to
> mortgage your house to pay for treatment; you won't have to watch people
> going in ahead of you for liposuction and botox while you suffer; and if
you

Those are out-patients surgery settings here in the US and because there are
many centers here there is no wait for such procedures. Limitations exist in
Canada where it might be true that elective outside payers are taken ahead
of canadians.

> eventually die of it, your spouse and kids will still have some kind of
> future. Oh, and our system costs less. Try it -- you might like it.
> CDB
>
>

It does not cost less as when you compare the price with others using your
system it is very expensive. If it were cheap and efficient you wouldn't be
hearing all the problems you have. Why do you think Zee is here posting
about all the ills of the system and blaming it on others.
We have tried it and it is called HMO's, Medicare and the VA and people only
use them when they don't have any choice or are poor.
Keep on sending your doctors and nurses here and keep on believing it is not
the system.

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