Re: Why doesn't bum-f%&king act like a vaccine against AIDS

From: montygram (nazztrader_at_lycos.com)
Date: 10/08/04

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    The following post expresses my opinions, unless otherwise noted:

    I want to see the data from the experiment that demonstrated HIV
    activity in asymptomatic patients, causing the CD4T+ cell depletion
    directly, and leading to “AIDS.” That experiment was
    never done, and guess what? Now the “mainstream” agrees
    (at least those who don’t have their heads all the way up their
    you-know-whats, like Ho). For example:

    “Researchers affiliated with the Gladstone Institute and the
    University of California at Berkeley suggest that the previous theory,
     with its presumed flurry of T-cell output, was an illusion of faulty
    assumptions and poor measurement techniques. The Bay Area scientists
    used a newly developed molecular tag to track the ebb and flow of
    helper T cells. They spent more than a year studying immune systems in
    healthy people and in 21 AIDS patients being treated at San Francisco
    General Hospital. This produced what the authors described as the
    first direct clinical measurements of immune-system activity both in
    AIDS patients and an uninfected control group.
    Results found no T-cell speed-up-and-collapse pattern in the infected
    people. What researchers found instead was that, along with reduced
    cell longevity, the virus caused slower cell production -- the
    opposite of what had been assumed to occur during this critical stage
    of the disease. Just how the AIDS virus might damage T-cell production
    has yet to be unraveled. [so you are assuming that because the people
    are HIV-antibody positive, any problems they have are the result of
    having neutralized HIV – this is in contradiction to all
    knowledge of viruses, and retroviruses in particular] And there are
    as yet no proven therapies to address the new view of the disease,
    which would call for treatments that defend the immune system,
    insulating it from HIV or making it robust enough to withstand the
    virus. By comparison, today's therapies take direct aim at stopping
    the virus from reproducing.
    An editorial in Nature Medicine portrayed the UCSF-Berkeley study as
    definitive evidence, but Ho indicated through a spokeswoman at the
    Aaron Diamond AIDS research center in New York that he is not yet
    convinced. Greene, by contrast, called the new study a "paradigm
    shift." "This completely alters the way we think about the
    pathogenesis of AIDS," he said. By all accounts, the AIDS virus
    infects and kills T cells. The argument is whether that's the main
    cause of fatal illness or if something else is at play.
    "This study tells us HIV does two things," said UCSF researcher Joseph
    McCune. "It does destroy cells, but its main affect appears to be on
    the systems of cell production. What that tells us is that we have to
    get rid of the virus, no question about that, but we really need to
    focus our attention on the systems of cell production."
    .Old view: 1. Multiplying HIV particles infect T cells. 2. Immune
    system responds by cranking up production of new T cells in an effort
    to keep pace with the virus. 3. In the end stage of disease, the
    immune system collapses from exhaustion.
    New view: 1. HIV infects mature T cells, but not in sufficient
    numbers to explain how the disease progresses.
    2. Researchers suspect that the virus may attack the immune system's
    cell-making capacity. 3. Final stage of disease caused primarily by
    collapse of immune system and reduced lifespan of T cells. HIV virus
    attacks T cell production system, probably in bone marrow and
    thymus.”

    Source: http://www.bonusround.com/dickie/research1.html

    Note that they say: “Just how the AIDS [meaning HIV, of course,
    though they do like to be confusing whenever possible, it seems] virus
    might damage T-cell production has yet to be unraveled.” My
    point is that there is no known mechanism that could exist in this
    universe that could do such damage! So we’re either dealing
    something that will render the know “laws” of biochemistry
    and virology worthless, or we are dealing with a simple, human rush to
    judgment by people who had everything to gain by doing so, and
    everything to lose by not doing so. Also notice that we hear things
    like “suspect” and “no question about it”
    (then there’s “devious,” “paradoxical,”
    “puzzling,” etc. – you’ve heard these words
    used to describe HIV if you’ve kept up with the literature, and
    they are words used by scientists who are wrong about their
    “theory”). A scientist quotes an experiment, he/she
    doesn’t say there’s no question about it, because science
    is simply where the evidence points at a given time. The problem
    occurs when the “experts” who decide for those who
    aren’t scientists where the evidence seems to point are
    conflicted, corrupt, fearful, or not particularly competent. There
    are countless examples of assumptions with no solid evidence to
    support them in the biological sciences today, such as the
    “lipid bilayer,” which is supposed to withstand tremendous
    shearing forces, but without any chemical bonds (see Gilbert
    Ling’s works for definitive refutation). Then there’s the
    notion of “essential fatty acids,” which turn out to be
    the most dangerous “food” people are consuming in large
    amounts in the “advanced” nations. Cholesterol, salt,
    fat, etc. Back to the main point here, which is that they (Gladstone)
    are saying that they know the immune system is declining in many
    “AIDS” patients, but they can’t make the direct
    connection with HIV. If a scientist wants to make an extraordinary
    claim, such as this, he/she had better have extraordinary evidence.
    All Duesberg is saying is that if you’ve got a claim that
    violates everything that’s know about biochemistry, virology,
    etc., then you better have more than anecdotal evidence and flawed
    clinical trials before you abandon other possibilities and subject
    people to dangerous prescription drugs. For that he’s been
    called a madman (or worse). The reason is that those whose
    reputations rest on such shaky foundations try and get the masses to
    allow emotion to cloud their judgment. Asking me if I’d be
    willing to become HIV infected is just such an example. If I’m
    alive 30 years from now, what would you say? What would the
    establishment people say? “Oh, he must have strong
    genes.” I may have strong jeans, but the strong genes argument
    can always be used when a scientist errs badly. It’s like a
    general saying that things could have been worse, even though his men
    got slaughtered due to his mistakes. Here’s my proposal.
    I’ll be glad to become HIV antibody positive (but without any
    other substances – just the virus itself), but you’ve got
    to take all the retroviral medication that is being given to those
    with full insurance coverage in the USA – until you die, which
    will likely not take very long. I get the retail cost of these drugs
    at today’s prices to “treat” myself, for as long as
    I live. So if the drugs cost $35,000 a year retail price, I get that
    every year from now on, for the remainder of my life, guaranteed.
    Also, asking about friends is not scientific. It’s none of your
    business who my friends are. You just don’t have the goods, and
    this is the best you’ve got, that is, an emotional appeal with
    no scientific grounding. I’ll take your money if you’d
    like, but it’s sad. However, you won’t get me to bite on
    name calling, because I’m only interested in it scientifically
    (and economically, if I can get someone to pay me that $35,000 a year
    or so).

    Another proposal: you get Gallo, Montagnier, the head of the NIH or
    CDC, Ho, etc. (any one will be fine) to agree to a debate with
    Duesberg in public, with full press coverage, moderated by a
    journalist or scientist who has never professed personal views on
    HIV/AIDS (at least in public), using typical high school debate team
    rules. If you can do that, I’ll get Duesberg for you
    (he’ll be licking his chops over the opportunity). A debate was
    already arranged by a journal to have Duesberg debate Montagnier via
    fax machine. After Montagnier read what Duesberg wrote (Duesberg was
    first to make a statement), Montagnier made some ridiculous excuse not
    to continue, and then not long after unveiled his mycoplasma co-factor
    claim, which may be more pathetic than the original HIV/AIDS claims.

    What is the treatment I will give myself if you accept my proposal?
    Fresh coconut products, dark chocolate, organic butter, raw goat milk
    cheese, organic eggs, organic fresh and dried fruit, some organic
    broccoli florets, organic white tea, and absolutely no polyunsaturated
    fatty acids, except for the small amounts found in the foods listed
    above. Also, digestive aids, including stomach acid (betaine HCl),
    and pepsin, and at least 9 hours of sleep a night.

    As for the arachidonic acid/HIV connection, see below:

    “Free Radic Biol Med. 1997;22(1-2):195-9.

    Activation of human immunodeficiency virus long terminal repeat by
    arachidonic acid.

    Carini R, Leonarduzzi G, Camandola S, Musso T, Varesio L, Baeuerle PA,
    Poli G.

    Department of Experimental Medicine and Oncology, University of
    Torino, Italy.

    Arachidonic acid is the precursor of highly reactive mediators,
    including prostaglandins and leukotrienes, and the most abundant n-6
    polyunsaturated fatty acid in mammalian cell membranes. It is released
    from phospholipids upon many inflammatory stimuli. In this study, a
    chloramphenicol acyltransferase reporter gene, under control of the
    human immunodeficiency virus-1 long terminal repeat, was strongly
    induced upon treating human promonocytes with arachidonic acid. The
    n-3 fatty acid eicosapentenoic, found in abundance in fish oil, had no
    effect. HIV-1 long terminal repeat activation by arachidonic acid was
    suppressed by inhibitors of both lipoxygenase and cyclooxygenase
    pathways, suggesting that metabolites, rather than arachidonic acid
    itself, mediated the stimulatory effect. This is the first report
    linking HIV-1 expression to the metabolism of arachidonic acid.”

    ”J Neurochem. 2000 Jul;75(1):196-203.
      
    HIV-1 coat glycoprotein gp120 induces apoptosis in rat brain neocortex
    by deranging the arachidonate cascade in favor of prostanoids.

    Maccarrone M, Bari M, Corasaniti MT, Nistico R, Bagetta G,
    Finazzi-Agro A.

    Department of Experimental Medicine and Biochemical Sciences.
    "Mondino-Tor Vergata" Center for Experimental Neurobiology, University
    of Rome "Tor Vergata," Rome, Italy.

    Human immunodeficiency virus type-1 coat glycoprotein gp 120 causes
    delayed programmed cell death (apoptosis) in rat brain neocortex.
    Here, we investigated the possible role of the arachidonate cascade
    and membrane peroxidation in this process. It is shown that gp 120
    causes a rapid increase in the activity and expression of the
    arachidonate-metabolizing enzyme prostaglandin H synthase, paralleled
    by increased prostaglandin E(2) levels. The selective inhibitor of
    prostaglandin H synthase indomethacin inhibited enzyme activity,
    reduced prostaglandin E(2) content, and partially protected neocortex
    against gp 120-induced apoptosis. Conversely, the activity and
    expression of the arachidonate-metabolizing enzyme 5-lipoxygenase
    decreased upon gp 120 treatment, as well as the level of its product,
    leukotriene B(4). Treatment with gp 120 also reduced membrane lipid
    peroxidation, and this may be implicated in the execution of
    programmed cell death. These results suggest that early derangement of
    the arachidonate cascade in favor of prostanoids may be instrumental
    in the execution of delayed apoptosis in the brain neocortex of
    rats.”
    “Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1994 Dec 15;747:205-24.

    AIDS-related dementia and calcium homeostasis.

    Lipton SA.

    Department of Neurology, Children's Hospital, Boston,
    Massachusetts.

    Approximately a third of adults and half of children
    with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)
    eventually suffer from neurological manifestations,
    including dysfunction of cognition, movement, and
    sensation. Among the various pathologies reported in
    the brain of patients with AIDS is neuronal injury and
    loss. A paradox arises, however, because neurons
    themselves are for all intents and purposes not
    infected by human immunodeficiency virus type 1
    (HIV-1). This paper reviews evidence suggesting that
    at least part of the neuronal injury observed in the
    brain of AIDS patients is related to excessive influx
    of Ca2+. There is growing support for the existence of
    HIV- or immune-related toxins that lead indirectly to
    the injury or death of neurons via a potentially
    complex web of interactions between macrophages (or
    microglia), astrocytes, and neurons. Human
    immunodeficiency virus-infected monocytoid cells
    (macrophages, microglia, or monocytes), especially
    after interacting with astrocytes, secrete substances
    that potentially contribute to neurotoxicity. Not all
    of these substances are yet known, but they may
    include eicosanoids, that is, arachidonic acid and its
    metabolites, as well as platelet-activating factor.
    Macrophages activated by HIV-1 envelope protein gp120
    also appear to release arachidonic acid and its
    metabolites. These factors can lead to increased
    glutamate release or decreased glutamate reuptake. In
    addition, gamma interferon (IFN-gamma) stimulation of
    macrophages induce release of the glutamate-like
    agonist quinolinate. Human immunodeficiency
    virus-infected or gp120-stimulated macrophages also
    produce cytokines, including tumor necrosis
    factor-alpha and interleukin-1 beta, which contribute
    to astrogliosis. A final common pathway for neuronal
    susceptibility appears to be operative, similar to
    that observed in stroke, trauma, epilepsy, neuropathic
    pain, and several neurodegenerative diseases, possibly
    including Huntington's disease, Parkinson's disease,
    and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. This mechanism
    involves the activation of voltage-dependent Ca2+
    channels and N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA)
    receptor-operated channels, and therefore offers hope
    for future pharmacological intervention. This review
    focuses on clinically tolerated calcium channel
    antagonists and NMDA antagonists with the potential
    for trials in humans with AIDS dementia in the near
    future.”

    I can’t say that HIV is totally harmless, only because if your
    body is severely immunocompromised you’ll have all kinds of
    viral reactivations, and who knows what the interactions will be.
    People don’t realize how rudimentary science is when it comes to
    biology, and that’s the reason to stick to the simple realities,
    one of which is if there’s no discernable biochemical activity,
    then don’t worry about it. However, when you’re full of
    polyunsaturates, you’re in trouble, HIV antibody positive or
    not. The key is not to allow viral reactivation. Sadly, some people
    may have done things to their bodies that are beyond repair.
    There’s an interesting experiment that could be done. Let some
    HIV antibody positives who refuse retroviral drugs live in the
    proverbial plastic bubble (not literally) and avoid all
    immunosuppressive substances. Why can’t this be tried? Because
    all the money is being pumped into drug trials and high tech nonsense
    (if you want to start a camp fire, you use matches, not a flame
    thrower).

     Corticosteriods and many other drugs are immunosuppressive, as are
    polyunsaturates. Once that happens, you get viral reactivation. And
    that takes out your stomach acid. You then go into protein
    malabsorption, and “AIDS wasting syndrome occurs.” You
    might also get “osteoporosis,” B12 deficiency, etc.
    Won’t take too long to finish you off from there – but HIV
    is the most minor of players, probably having no adverse effect at
    all, unlike CMV, EBV, HHV6A, candida, p. carinii, etc.

    Here’s a proposal for all the scientists of the
    “mainstream” view. How many would sign the following?

    I, ***************, will take the next 3 years to completely solve the
    AIDS epidemic, and if I don’t I will give back all the money I
    have used up in grants, etc., up to the point of personal bankruptcy.
    I will then only work in poor, urban neighborhoods as a science
    teacher in public schools, and never again make any claims about
    curing diseases unless I can establish a direct connection between the
    agent and the symptoms/progression.

    First, we were told that a vaccine would be available in 6 months,
    then a couple of years, then 5 years (twice), and now it’s
    “pandemic” time. If they are correct, then within a few
    years the world will have substantially less people. The opposite
    will be the case. Let’s get these guys out of the key positions
    and give some scientists with fresh ideas a chance. You can’t
    kill the dead (HIV isn’t Dracula, though I wouldn’t be
    surprised to hear one of these geniuses use this analogy), and a
    latent virus is for all intents and purposes, dead, and more
    importantly, harmless.

    The retroviral “therapy” is a cause of “AIDS,”
    though the definition of AIDS these days seem to include anything an
    HIV antibody positive person dies from. Let’s get an
    independent scientific panel to investigate. HIV would have to be
    doing some discernable harm to the relevant cells (in sufficient
    numbers) when the patient’s body took a nosedive. Otherwise,
    the panel would have to conclude that the AIDS was caused by the
    therapy (unless some other direct cause could be found). This is the
    way to do science. You don’t say, “gee wiz, look at that,
    there are all kinds of horrible side effect to the therapy, but
    we’ve got to keep doing it, because otherwise, the dead virus is
    going to do something – we don’t know what – but
    we’ve got to attack it, even though it’s dormant and
    harmless.”

    And I’d like someone to define AIDS in a way that makes sense.
    Blaming HIV for Kaposi’s Sarcoma, CMV, candidiasis, etc., is
    ridiculous. If you can show me the direct sequence of events,
    biochemically, fine. But you can’t and you never will, because
    if you could, they would have done it already. It would be easy to do
    if HIV was actually doing anything, but it isn’t doing enough,
    literally, to hurt a fly. It was a nice guess, I’ll give them
    that, but they never did the hard work to determine exactly what was
    going on, and they were predisposed to see viruses or bacteria as the
    cause of any “epidemic,” though there are plenty of
    historical examples to the contrary.

    There’s lots more to be discovered about the immune system, but
    it’s clear that when you stress your body in particular ways,
    the immune system starts to fail in many (but not all people).
    It’s like what Dr. Rosedale said about type II diabetes, that
    is, some people can withstand the insulin hanging around for much
    longer than others, but at some point, the insulin desensitization
    occurs, and the diagnosis of type II diabetes can be made (though it
    might be easily dealt with through diet – eat a little
    nutritional yeast with meals, avoid polyunsaturated fatty acids as
    much as possible, eat fruit rather than processed sugar food, cut down
    on calories, and remember that lard is mostly unsaturated, and
    chicken/turkey is largely unsaturated, so don’t eat them at all.
     Eggs, shellfish, raw cheese, non-denatured whey powder, eggs, etc. is
    the way to go for good quality protein).

    Now here’s something you should know, and please at least tell
    your HIV antibody positive friends:

    Your body either makes polyunsaturated fatty acids (called Mead acid)
    or else it uses those from the diet if you eat too much of them, and
    you get arachidonic acid incorporated into your cells as the dominant
    stressor-induced fatty acid (if you eat like a traditional Eskimo,
    you’d incorporate DHA, which is dangerous in a different way
    – your blood vessels essentially disintegrate by your fifth
    decade, if you’re lucky to get that far).
    All this is well-known and not subject to scientific debate (though
    obviously some are suggesting that balancing arachidonic acid and DHA
    is the way to go, sort of like holding a cobra in one hand and a
    mongoose in the other, with your head in between). However, most
    scientists have assumed, based on a terribly flawed experiment done on
    rats in 1930, that dietary polyunsaturates are “essential”
    for humans. Now if you look at the evidence, you see that arachidonic
    is a stone cold killer, just do a pubmed.com search and see for
    yourself. Mead acid, on the other hand, is very stable biochemically,
    and doesn’t get released for metabolization easily. It also
    doesn’t metabolize into dangerous substances, such as PGE2 or
    LTB4. You must know of the importance of COX 2 inhibitors. Guess
    what? No need for them when your body is packed with the Mead acid.
    Mead acid doesn’t go that route. It will take about 2 years to
    get the arachidonic acid out of your body on the diet I mentioned
    above. At that point, assuming you haven’t damaged your immune
    system through drugs/toxins/foreign protein exposure to an extreme
    degree, you’ll be fine, HIV antibody positive or not.
    That’s what the evidence suggests, biochemically and
    physiologically (though stomach acid is necessary, and you may have to
    supplement for life, which is not expensive). For the most part,
    epidemiology has become a tool of those who want to make a point that
    is not supported by biochemistry or physiology. And of course most
    people don’t even know the difference. Now I’d like to
    see some establishment big-wig do an experiment and say,
    “we’re going to do everything known in biochemistry to try
    and find HIV doing some incredible harm while people are asymptomatic,
    leading directly to immune system collapse, but if we can’t,
    then we’ll conclude it’s harmless until someone can make
    such a showing.” Latent infection means nothing, because
    that’s what retroviruses do. Mice have hundreds of them
    normally. There could be a “freak of nature” virus, like
    Rous sarcoma, but then you would see exactly what it was doing when
    you looked. That’s the difference – HIV is doing nothing,
    until the body has so fallen apart, in one way or another (viral
    reactivation, immune system collapse, wasting) that there is enough
    stress for it to become active, though I’d still have to see
    evidence of it actually doing something damaging before it would make
    sense, scientifically, to make any claims against it.

    Here’s some more to chew on, which fits my idea that one should
    avoid polyunsaturated fatty acids (due to the oxidative stress they
    cause if consumed in large amounts, as is the case in the USA today):

    http://www.altheal.org/treatments/oxidative.htm

    "It has been found that AIDS is characterised by a persistent
    oxidative imbalance. An increasing deficiency of the non-toxic
    anti-oxidant glutathione plays a crucial role in the transition from
    pre-AIDS to full blown disease (1,2) To quote from Montagnier (the
    discoverer of HIV) et al (3):

    Page 655:

    "A large body of data on in vitro human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
    infection and biochemical clinical studies suggests that oxidative
    stress plays a role in AIDS pathogenesis*. Recent reports have
    implicated intracellular excess of reactive oxygen species (ROS) in
    the induction of HIV expression (4-7) and in the initiation of
    apoptotic cell death ** (8). Studies showing a decrease in glutathione
    in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from symptom-free persons offer
    further evidence of a metabolic alteration leading to the decreased
    ability to counteract oxidative stress (9). These findings, together
    with other alterations of biochemical indicators of systemic oxidative
    damage that have been observed (10-12) suggest that antioxidants can
    be useful in inhibiting viral replication and cell death in patients
    with HIV infection and AIDS"

    "Lymphocytes from subjects infected with the human immunodeficiency
    virus type 1 (HIV-1) undergo an inappropriate programmed cell death
    (apoptosis), a major mechanism for the decline of CD4 and CD8 cells
    that is crucial to the progression towards the overt acquired
    immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS).1-8 Indeed, lymphocyte apoptosis
    correlates with disease progression and lower CD4 counts: a high
    degree of apoptosis has been detected in patients with AIDS in
    comparison with long-term nonprogressors.1-8."(57). "Patients with
    AIDS have significantly higher lymphocyte-associated ceramide levels
    than healthy individuals and HIV-1-infected long-term nonprogressors
    have less elevated lymphocyte-associated ceramide levels than subjects
    with evolving disease.8,20,21 Remarkably, this is paralleled by a
    lower frequency of apoptotic CD4 and CD8 cells in long-term
    nonprogressors than in patients with AIDS.8,21".(57) "

    "Last year however, Carbonari et al showed that apoptotic (apoptosis =
    programmed cell death) lymphocytes in AIDS patients consist for the
    most part of CD8 T-cells and CD19 B-cells.(1) They concluded from this
    that the phenomenon of in-vitro apoptosis might not be related to the
    depletion of CD4 T-cells in AIDS. Finkel et al recently showed that
    apoptosis occurs predominantly in bystander cells and not in
    productively infected cells of HIV- and SIV-infected lymph nodes.(2)
    In their commentary, Pantaleo and Fauci did not wish to give any
    conclusive answer to this.(3) (44)"

    Here again, the scientists saying “remarkably” turn out to
    be wrong. What a surprise.

    And here are a couple more of those studies about the
    “catastrophic success” of retroviral therapy you found
    interesting:

    AIDS. 2004 Aug 20;18(12):1615-27.
      
    Immune restoration disease after antiretroviral therapy.

    French MA, Price P, Stone SF.

    Department of Clinical Immunology and Biochemical Genetics, Royal
    Perth Hospital and School of Surgery and Pathology, University of
    Western Australia, Perth, Australia. martyn.french@health.wa.gov.au

    Suppression of HIV replication by highly active antiretroviral therapy
    (HAART) often restores protective pathogen-specific immune responses,
    but in some patients the restored immune response is
    immunopathological and causes disease [immune restoration disease
    (IRD)]. Infections by mycobacteria, cryptococci, herpesviruses,
    hepatitis B and C virus, and JC virus are the most common pathogens
    associated with infectious IRD. Sarcoid IRD and autoimmune IRD occur
    less commonly. Infectious IRD presenting during the first 3 months of
    therapy appears to reflect an immune response against an active (often
    quiescent) infection by opportunistic pathogens whereas late IRD may
    result from an immune response against the antigens of non-viable
    pathogens. Data on the immunopathogenesis of IRD is limited but it
    suggests that immunopathogenic mechanisms are determined by the
    pathogen. For example, mycobacterial IRD is associated with
    delayed-type hypersensitivity responses to mycobacterial antigens
    whereas there is evidence of a CD8 T-cell response in herpesvirus IRD.
    Furthermore, the association of different cytokine gene polymorphisms
    with mycobacterial or herpesvirus IRD provides evidence of different
    pathogenic mechanisms as well as indicating a genetic susceptibility
    to IRD. Differentiation of IRD from an opportunistic infection is
    important because IRD indicates a successful, albeit undesirable,
    effect of HAART. It is also important to differentiate IRD from drug
    toxicity to avoid unnecessary cessation of HAART. The management of
    IRD often requires the use of anti-microbial and/or anti-inflammatory
    therapy. Investigation of strategies to prevent IRD is a priority,
    particularly in developing countries, and requires the development of
    risk assessment methods and diagnostic criteria.

    Curr HIV Res. 2004 Jul;2(3):235-42.

    Immune restoration disease: a consequence of dysregulated immune
    responses after HAART.

    Stone SF, Price P, French MA.

    Department of Clinical Immunology and Biochemical Genetics, Royal
    Perth Hospital and School of Surgery and Pathology, University of
    Western Australia, Perth, Australia. sfstone@cyllene.uwa.edu.au

    Immune Restoration Diseases (IRD) are a collection of atypical
    'opportunistic infections' and inflammatory diseases seen in human
    immunodeficiency virus (HIV) patients after HIV viraemia is suppressed
    by highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART). IRD probably reflect
    dysregulated immune responses against pre-existing infections by
    opportunistic pathogens, with different immunopathological mechanisms
    for different pathogens. For example, mycobacterial IRD are associated
    with delayed type hypersensitivity (DTH) responses to mycobacterial
    antigens, whereas patients who experience cytomegalovirus (CMV) IRD
    have elevated plasma levels of soluble CD30, a marker of a T2 cytokine
    environment expressed by activated CD8 T-cells. As IRD are often
    compartmentalised to organs, monitoring serological markers such as
    pathogen-specific IgG antibody, may be informative, as demonstrated
    for CMV and hepatitis C virus (HCV)-associated IRD. Genetic studies
    have provided evidence of distinct immunopathological mechanisms and
    inherited susceptibility to IRD associated with mycobacterial and
    herpesviridae infections. The expansion of HAART in the developing
    world where many HIV patients have low CD4+ T-cell counts and high
    rates of concomitant infections will place a large number of patients
    at-risk of developing IRD. It is therefore important to understand the
    immunopathology so that prevention, diagnosis and treatment can be
    improved. Copyright 2004 Bentham Science Publishers Ltd.

    You either have an overall understanding of biochemistry and
    physiology or you don’t, and those who do realize that being HIV
    antibody positive is not going to do harm by itself. However, it is a
    marker. In other words, the same people doing the same things (to
    destroy their immune systems, reactivate viruses, waste away, etc.),
    do those things with each other, passing this HIV around, so a lot of
    people with HIV in specific communities go on to develop
    “AIDS.” There was a recent Nip/Tuck episode, in which a
    promiscuous woman was infected with HIV, and without retroviral
    therapy, went on to develop AIDS. It was fiction, but if the HIV/AIDS
    direct connection claim is accurate, then there should be thousands of
    such women dying annually, if not monthly, in the USA alone, or they
    should at least be on retroviral therapy (because if they
    weren’t, they’d have the symptoms the fictional character
    had). That is the “pandemic” prediction of the HIV/AIDS
    claim. It isn’t happening, and it never will, and it is likely
    that in 100 years or so, most people will have HIV antibodies, and
    they’ll have a good laugh at how stupid their grandparents or
    great-grandparents were. They’ll compare us to those who feared
    witches in the medieval period.

    You want a biochemical mechanism? Interestingly, it was given in
    1979, before the AIDS “outbreak.” In Sultan Karim
    (editor), “Practical Applications of Prostaglandins”
    (1979), page 173: “Tumors can produce material which depresses
    the immune system, and a substantial amount of evidence suggests that
    prostaglandins are involved… mice bearing tumors induced by
    chemicals… became decreasingly responsive immunologically…
    PGE2 also caused immunosuppression.” Notice that these guys
    talk about “substantial evidence” (and they review much of
    it), not “devious, paradoxical, puzzling” non-mechanisms.
    The probable cause of the wasting syndrome is covered above, but this
    is a mechanism for Kaposi’s Sarcoma, that is, you do a lot of
    poppers (and probably plenty of other drugs, legal and illegal), which
    induces a tumor(s), then the tumor metabolizes arachidonate to PGE2,
    breaking down the immune system, causing all kinds of free radical
    damage to cells and organs, viral reactivation, etc. Since drugs in
    combination with high polyunsaturate consumption can be very
    immunosuppressive, that explains the AIDS cases that are just viral
    reactivations getting out of control, though foreign protein exposure
    also is immunosuppressive. Interestingly, common cancers (breast,
    colon, prostate) take the LTB4 route, whereas PGE2 is the
    “AIDS” route, though retroviral therapy seems to shunt the
    arachidonate metabolism over to LTB4, which is nothing to be proud,
    obviously. Arachidonic acid is something of a slow poison, that is,
    if it’s the dominant stressor-induced fatty acid in your body.
    Plenty of women get breast cancer at ages similar to HIV antibody
    positives (and negatives) going into “full-blown AIDS,”
    and many are younger. The only mystery here is that our great
    “experts” are so incredibly out of touch with biochemical
    reality. Somewhere along the line, “group think”
    occurred, and suggestions to consume more “essential fatty
    acids” when one is ill are now common, though crazy. Those with
    what one might call “classic AIDS,” that is, a failing
    immune system coupled with opportunistic infections becoming
    uncontrollable, should close down the PGE2 pathway ASAP. But if you
    don’t get the arachidonic acid out of your body, you’ll
    just be subject to LTB4 maladies. Now whether former
    immunosuppressive behavior (if beyond a certain threshold) is
    something of a ticking time bomb is not known due to the current state
    of that biological field, but the only sensible thing to do at this
    point in history is clear. Dr. Paul Cheney, who pioneered attempts to
    understand what one might call “classic chronic fatigue
    syndrome,” suggested that extreme RNase-L activity causes the
    fatigue. I would not be at all surprised if this was caused by the
    arachidonic acid in these people, which has a hypersensitization
    effect on everything (at least in the human body). In any case,
    it’s interesting that HIV infected people are not chronically
    fatigued, in general. Mono viruses seem to be the ones most likely to
    do this, and it just shows you how ridiculous the Ho claims were,
    namely, that there is this massive biochemical activity with the
    immune system fighting HIV. Anyone who had such massive biochemical
    activity would likely be in a coma, if not dead. But common sense has
    left the building, apparently. If HIV was as nasty as is claimed, it
    would either kill quickly or it would do what “chronic fatigue
    syndrome” does, in terms of ratcheting up RNase-L activity. If
    HIV reactivated and began to damage CD4T+ (or any other) cells, it
    would be discernable, and there would be a cause of the reactivation
    that could be prevented, at least in patients willing to do what was
    necessary. The fact that our great “experts” cannot
    detect either after more than 2 decades and billions of dollars is due
    to the fact that neither is happening, or they are incredibly
    incompetent/corrupt. So why listen to them? Do your own homework
    people. This is not that complicated. Either they have clear and
    convincing evidence (which they undeniably don’t’), or you
    should just avoid anything immunosuppressive and do as much as you can
    to limit biochemical activity (stay away from polyunsatures –
    and that includes meat fats, and instead eat coconut products, white
    tea, antioxidant rich foods like blueberries and dark chocolate,
    etc.). Clearly, our “experts” are only interested in
    looking for bacteria or viruses as “causes,” then passing
    the ball to Big Pharma, so they and their friends can make big bucks
    (on drugs and tests) and/or receive prestige/career perks. Even if
    they can’t find anything real, they blame a bacterium or a virus
    (can you say “SMON” – how insane was that
    little-known episode?). Biochemistry is about thresholds. Even the
    worst epidemic doesn’t kill everyone. When arachidonic acid
    dominates your body, your ability to withstand various physiological
    stresses is lowered dramatically – hardly any room for
    “error,” that is, extreme immunosuppressive behavior
    (compared to being on the Mead acid). And once you open up a highly
    active pathway, such as PGE2, you’re in deep stuff. And then
    our “experts” get their hands on you, and you’re
    done.

    Here’s some more Cheney material you can find on the web.
    Notice the similarity to “AIDS.” The difference, in the
    many cases in which there appears to be one, is likely due to the
    immunosuppressive behavior of IV drug users, users of drugs like
    poppers, those who take too much antibiotic or corticosteriod
    medications, and those who have had multiple transfusions. HIV is
    nothing, or near nothing, in this model, which has a biochemical
    mechanism, unlike the establishment HIV/AIDS nonsense:
    “Viruses, especially herpes viruses (such as Epstein-Barr virus,
    cytomegalovirus, and human herpes virus 6), make proteins that mimic
    IL-10, which activates the immune system and remains untouched by the
    body's natural defenses.
    Addressing the two different types of T-helper cells has been the
    focus of work by Paul Cheney, M.D. His protocols are designed to
    stimulate Th1 and inhibit Th2.
    According to Dr. Cheney, chronic fatigue patients have activation of
    T-helper 2 cells (Th2). Th2 activation suppresses T-helper 1 (Th1)
    activity, particularly cytotoxic T-cells and natural killer (NK)
    cells, which are the main defense against viruses. In this way the
    viruses are able to "fool" the immune system.

    An article in the Journal of Clinical Infectious Disease measured NK
    cell activity in 50 healthy individuals and 20 patients with
    clinically defined chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome
    (CFIDS). The patients were divided into three groups based on severity
    of clinical status. NK cell activity decreased with the increasing
    severity of the clinical condition (Ojo-Amaize et al. 1994).”


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