Re: QUACKS don't do research..or they LIE about it.. like the drug companies

From: Robert (RobertJ_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 10/20/04 

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:07:07 -0700

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:07:04 -0700, "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> snip
> >I really think that most of the objection is because of the cost of
> >medication and not really if they work or not.
>
> Ah, the cost is part of the engine that drives the distortions in
> clinical science. The big money corrupts top executives and they will
> lie through their teeth to make more money, regardless of the
> consequences to health.

Tell me how they lie and make money? When a drug is found to be dangerous
then it is taken off the market and sufferers can sue and you get
commericals on TV from lawyers.
>
> That infuriates me because it takes the lives people lay on the line
> to participate in human studies and perverts it. It infuriates me
> because it destroys the real beauty of good science and the importance
> of it.

You are talking about new experimental drugs and if anything is
experimental, drugs, procedures, instruments, even airplanes then people are
capable of dying. You can not eliminate the danger on anything new so if you
want to do so then sign away the consent form.

>
> The effect has also been to focus on high-profit diseases at the
> expense of a great number of infections that might be addressed by a
> short course of treatment that is not profitable. Or diseases that
> affect the poor in the developing world. Again, science is sacrificed
> at the altar of greed and lives are damaged and destroyed.

That is the role of government and not private companies. The profit is
proportional to the number of possible patients.
>
> No, it doesn't always happen and many new drugs have been discovered
> that do have a good risk/benefit/cost profile. But these are fewer and
> fewer.
Profit has no impact on the quality or risk ratio of the drug. Any new drug
is priced accordingly as all are assumed to be safe and of great efficacy.
Those that turn out not to be are taken off the market or the price lowered.

>
> Indigenous and traditional forms of medicine in many nations around
> the world DO have empirical evidence to support their use and
> efficacy. And there is an increasing interest in conducting rigorous
> clinical trials to test those empirical observations. To simply play
> this idiotic polemic to justify bigotries and blindness on either side
> is of little utility to people living with diseases and disorders.
Indigenous forms of treatment have no need for empirical clinical trials.

>
> We need to take science back and find a way to heal the sickness that
> has so corrupted the pharmaceutical industry. And equally, we need to
> address the hype and distortion often presented by the "supplements"
> industry so people, whether patients or physicians, can make better
> and more reliable treatment choices.
>
> George M. Carter

Medical treatment through medicine is non invasive and the primary preferred
form of treatment in comparison to invasive surgerical treatments.
It is the role of pharm companies to develop new drugs and not new surgical
procedures. It is up to the other fields of medicine to provide alternatives
in treatment.

>
>

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