Re: biggest loser - strange stuff - answer the question, Dawe

From: Dunne E. Dawe (never_at_never.again)
Date: 11/03/04 

Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:57:39 +0800

On 1 Nov 2004 11:22:56 -0800, tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) posted:

>> If you aren't satisfied with the explanation you got a few days ago, get
>> any biochemistry textbook and read it. Even one written 40 years ago (when
>> the professor who wrote it wouldn't have gotten much research money from
>> Big Pharma).
>
>For the umpteenth time, your "explanation" was not an explanation as
>much as it was an exercise in logic based on an assumption that leads
>to the logic, re-iterated ad-infinitum.
>
>I've read a good number of bio-chem textbooks, newer ones and older
>ones, and not a single one of them showed clearly a direct
>bio-chemical link between calories, caloric state detection (ie.
>excess or deficit), and the caloric state inducing fat storage or
>loss.

Did you not understand my explanation? Forget calories, the body does
not actually measure them. It is concentrations of molecular species
that the biochemistry "detects".

>There is no bio-chemical process or any other bio-chemical
>mechanism that explains, in detail, how the body can specifically
>detect an excess or deficit of calories and there is no process
>whereby the body, as a result of detecting an excess or deficit of
>calories, then triggers fat storage.

That's correct. As I explained to you, and you apparently missed.
It is not calories but concentrations of different molecules.
Are you sure there are not two tcomeaux on this group? You seem to
post messages as though you have not seen those you have already
posted.

>It is all a figment of false logic based on false assumptions. The
>assumption being that the laws of thermo can be directly applied to
>mathematically predict weight loss or gain by counting calories-in vs
>calories-out. It is impractical. It does not work in the real world.

Soirry, can you show any evidence that it does not? All properly
measured experiments show a precise relationship between stored
molecules with high energy and net energy consumption.

>Yes, the laws of thermo apply to the human body. It just does not
>apply in such a way that we can count calories-in and calories-out and
>predict weight gain or loss. If it was that simple then everyone and
>anyone who counted calories would be thin.

Are you sure you are not having short-term memory lapses? I've
explained this all to you fully several times.

>That is my last word on this discussion with you. Take it or leave it.

You appear to never read what is posted by others in response to your
questions, or you morph into another poster who has not been in ths
discussion.

And why do you ask questions and then when a careful explanation is
posted in response, you appear to "go to ground" and not even
acknowledge the trouble folks go to on your behalf? And then, when
they ask if you've see the explanation, you insult them.

What exactly are you here for? I'm puzzled.

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