Re: White Bread Linked To Diabetes
From: Dunne E. Dawe (never_at_never.again)
Date: 11/14/04
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:32:31 +0800
On 12 Nov 2004 07:05:29 -0800, tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) posted:
>Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message news:<lgu6p0d1cpg3qj3dhg26q48csrjvsttbb2@4ax.com>...
>> On 9 Nov 2004 07:51:53 -0800, tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) posted:
>>
>> >****
>> >
>> >Now what was it that I've been saying here for a few years now?.....
>> >
>> >Oh yeah.....
>> >
>> >It ain't the fats, it's the CARBS......
>> >
>> >Now we will see the bread industry shoot this study down and the
>> >American Diabetes Association will follow suit, almost to the word,
>> >like the good industry lapdogs that they are.
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> Eating lots of high-GI foods like white breads and white potatoes can
>> cause weight gain, raising the risk of diabetes, say the researchers.
>>
>> Eating lots of anything does the same.
>> Now what is your point, here?
>
>It's a chicken or the egg kind of thing.
>
>I say carbs are the major cause of obesity and diabetes T2.
And everyone else says that any energy in excess causes obesity and
all the subsequent problems. Lack of exercise is contributory to the
obesity and several of its sequelae.
>The
>processes that are involved ie. insulin-glucagon, are straighforward.
You MUST be postulating that these hormones can create calories out of
nothing. If you eat 1500 calories as carbs, and you don't eat excess
calories (than you need), are you really saying that fat will be
stored?
>Elevated blood glucose destroys b cells leading to insulin resistance,
>at the same time, the elevated blood glucose causes elevated insulin
>levels that causes you to get fat.
Two problems with this. Normal folk don't get elevated glucose levels,
which incidently damage many different tissues. It's a paradox that
you MUST have around 5 mmol/l of glucose in your blood or you die, but
if you have way too much, you get tisue damage. The toxicity is in the
dose, as always. And then if you eat NO carbohydrates, you still must
have a BG around 5 and you can still get transient "spikes" from the
liver shoving out extra glucose when the body needs a boost of energy.
The second problem is that insulin does not cause long term fat
deposition unless there is a long term calorie intake excess.
You did take a look at the Insulin Index site I gave you, and saw that
steak produces more insulin than white pasta?
>The refined carbs deplete you of
>various important micro-nutrients.
Yep, but as you are advised not to eat these, like you are advised not
to eat refined fats....
>After ten or so years of producing
>huge amounts of insulin due to high carb intake and subsequent
>elevated blood glucose levels and glucose-induced insulin resistance,
>the pancreas has produced its lifetime of insulin and can produce no
>more, the victim, er... patient becomes insulin dependent.
Only if you eat too many calories and get fat, with little exercise.
Can you show any evidence for this theory that the pancreas only has a
finite amount of insulin to produce? If so, you'd better cut down on
those steaks.
>You say its obesity caused by too many calories, even though people
>who try to lose weight by restricting calories seem to not be able do
>so.
That's right. Doesn't matter whether you try to reduce calories from
fats, carbs, or anything else, 90 odd percent of folk give up and
resume eating too many calories.
>Then you say that obesity itself, in some exotic and unknown
>manner, then causes the diabetes, somehow.
Yep, as unless you get fat, you don't get the diabetes.
Funny that.
>Amazing that after having spent literally billions on research, we
>still cannot clearly explain the cause of obesity and diabetes.
Obesity is simply caused by eating too many calories. The extra
calories are stored as fat. When you get fat, your blood lipids get
all screwed up, apparently as a protective mechanism, and you get all
the damaging cluster of problems like insulin resistance and
hypertension and so on.
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