Re: Very low-carb diets work for men and upper body fat

From: Paul Rogers (nomail_at_thanks.com)
Date: 11/15/04 

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:31:03 GMT

"Mirek Fídler" <cxl@volny.cz> wrote in message
news:2vrtdnF2onpv8U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> The fact that 30% in considered low fat compared with the average amount
>> consumed doesn't mean that many lipid experts says that you get
>> deficiencies by consuming "only" 30% fat
>
> This is not about deficiencies, this is about better or worse lipid
> profile.
>
>> A part from rare bizzarre theories there's no study on the scientific
>> literature showing a fat deficiency causing metabolic disfunction when
>> fat intake is 30%
>
> Well, while it is not clear whether lipid profile has any actuall meaning
> in this dietary situation, it was clearly shown that decreasing fat below
> 30% affects lipid profile in a way that would indicated increased risk in
> persons with normal diet.
>
> I hope I wrote that as correct as I could :)

Well no, not really <g>. In populations with total cholesterol around 150 or
below, cardiovascular disease and heart attacks are very rare -- independent
of modest HDL numbers. These levels are never achieved on Atkins diets as
far as I know.

Diets such as Ornish and Pritikin achieve this for most people. I am not
suggesting one needs to be this low-fat, but to say that a diet with less
than 30% fat is somehow deficient is just Atkins hyperbole.

I would remind you of this statement from Nathan Pritikin's autopsy in the
New England Journal of Medicine, 1985:

"At autopsy, the epicardium was smooth with no scars. The coronary arteries
were soft and pliable. Several arteries showed some yellow, fat streaks, but
no elevated plaques were seen and no reduction of the lumen was found. The
absence of atherosclerosis and its effects in a 69-year-old man is
remarkable. Hubbard, J., et al, Nathan Pritikin's Heart, NEJM, 52, July
1985."

(Yes, I have read the full paper.) Now why did we not see an Atkins'
autopsy?

Paul R 

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