Re: [RANT] Re: Study says 'Glycemic Index' diet DOES work

From: VBH (dummy_at_nospam.com)
Date: 11/27/04 

Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:20:27 +0000

FOB wrote:

> You don't have to eat many carbs to eat chocolate. Try a ZCarb bar. I aim
> for about 45 gram of carb/day and a ZCarb bar fits into that quite nicely.
> You clearly don't understand Atkins from the statements you make. It is
> absolutely not NO carb.

Well done, you missed the point and went for the soundbite. I was not
talking about giving up choc because of Atkins, but because of DM.

I could respond by saying that I do not consider zcarb to be chocolate :)

However, I was talking about DM BG management. Atkins is an extreme in
the sense that you are restricted and have to start at 20 carbs. It is
possible to have a reduced carb or low carb diet without atkins. Atkins
requires the carbs to be limited to around the point of ketosis. DM is
an altogether different prospect where the target is keeping BG in a
manageable band. Ketosis is a side effect, rather than an objective.

The other critial aspect of DM is exercise. On mornings when I get up
and go straight to the gym I deliberately take on more carbs to get me
through that session. After the session I will take on more carbs if I
am dropping below my target level. If I were limited with carbs, I
would not be able to take that decision to take finer control.

This all started from someone talking about DM and not considering it
their preferred method of BG control. Accusations have flown since
about a lack of understanding of Atkins. I suggest that those making
these comments have a lack of understanding of DM. It all depends on
your viewpoint.

When you have T2 diabetes and know what effect chocolate has on YOUR BG,
then feel free to tell me I am wrong. Till then, please accept that
those with DM may have a significantly differing view of low carbing
than someone who does not have to take the myriad of critical factors
into account.

>
> In news:30p820F339nl0U1@uni-berlin.de,
> VBH <VBHSpamTrap@hotpop.com> stated
> |
> | Done your homework on diabetes? Its a far more complex problem than
> | just dropping carbs.
> |
> | Atkins is an extreme. There are more approaches to life than just the
> | extremes. And if you believe that extremes are the only way to
> | approach all problems, then you do not have an appreciation of those
> | problems. It may work for you but it is not the solution to
> | everybodys problems.
> |
> | A reduced or low carb diet seems to work for diabetics wheras there
> | is a theory that no carb and atkins can cause the tolerance for carbs
> | to fall even lower meaning that any intake of carbs can shoot through
> | the roof. If this is correct, then aktins could make diabetes
> | worse. From my experience it seems to happen in the short term.
> |
> | Nice of you to suggest that if someone wants to avoid the risk of
> | making a chronic condition worse, then they are stupid.
> |
> | Diabetics who wish to retain control and prevent complications are
> | forced to be careful with carbs and generally reduce their intake. It
> | is not a choice. There are those of us who wish to retain the use of
> | some foods in such quantities managed so that they do not cause
> | problems. Give up chocolate for life? No thanks. But I know exactly
> | what choc I can eat and how much, when in order to remain nicely
> | within my personal safe limit.
> |
> | Finally, I don't see Kat claiming that Atkins is a bad thing. He/She
> | specified that they were a firm believer in a low carb diet with the
> | implication that it was for their specific circumstances. The only
> | thing that they DID say about atkins was that they were not a firm
> | believer in it. They did not say that they were against it at all.
> | That's an entirely different thing. Its like confusing agnostics and
> | atheists. A lack of belief in something is not the same as a belief
> | against something.

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VBH
T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03

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