Re: Major Confrontation Brewing Between Big Pharma and Natural Health Movement
From: David Wright (wright_at_clam.prodigy.net)
Date: 02/01/05
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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:26:30 GMT
In article <zrednb3h3_hpUWDcRVn-oQ@got.net>,
Robert <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"David Wright" <wright@clam.prodigy.net> wrote in message > >> What a dopey
>statement. Even our most militant pro-alts won't usually
>> >> go that far. Antibiotics cure,
>> >Most antibiotics are given for bacteriostatic levels and do not kill
>> >bacteria but leave it to the bodies owns defenses. The giving of
>antibiotics
>> >do not touch the susceptibility of the person to infection. Given the
>> >resistance characteristic of bacteria to merely treat an infection
>without
>> >dealing with the reason for the infection then it is pointless. Don't
>> >believe me then ask someone with recurrent infections.
>>
>> I wasn't talking about someone with recurrent infections. Besides, if
>> someone is being repeatedly re-infected, then re-cured, the
>> antibiotics still work, but the patient needs to do something
>> different.
>
>You have no idea on how to treat people with infections. If a patient with
>cystic fibrosis repeatedly gets Pseudomonas infections, the bacteria will
>eventually develop a resistance to the antibiotic. The goal is to cure the
>cystic fibrosis not to just simply cure the infection.
Sure it is. But do you know how to cure cystic fibrosis? If you do,
you're the only person on the planet who does. And if you don't,
you're just crying for the moon, not addressing the world as it is.
>> Also, I'd forgotten that you had your own quaint definition of the
>> word "cure," carefully torturing its meaning till it screams.
>I thought the word cure meant that you would not get another
> infection?
Why should it? I've had multiple strep infections in my life, but
separated by considerable stretches of time. The fact that one of
them was cured does not mean I can't get a second one.
>If you treat a urinary tract infection with antibiotics repeatedly
>and not treat the underlying condition then it is not a cure.
If there's an underlying condition to treat.
>> It's stupid to say that "they don't mind" unless you are intending to
>> portray all doctors as heartless fiends. Maybe that's your intention.
>> If so, you're an idiot.
>
>I stand corrected then by saying that they do mind giving deadly drugs but
>they do it anyways because as you state it they have no alternatives for the
>short term survival. They do so in a loving way and it makes such deaths,
>such as Vioxx and others, a valuable learning tool to make drugs safer.
Unfortunate but true. No doctor wants to see a curable patient die,
for pity's sake. And if a drug is supposedly safe, but later on turns
out not to be, that may not be anyone's "fault." It's one of those
risk-reward things. (If there's deliberate fraud involved, of course,
that's a different matter. Negligence likewise.)
>Basic medicine 101 in assuming that new drugs and most cutting edge
>ones involving cancer and other terminal illnesses are experimental
>and dangerous. For a doctor to claim ignorance is inexcusable. It is
>better to prescribe the devil you know than the devil you don't
>know.
Not if the devil you know is almost certainly ineffective.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
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