Re: The China Study

> All that has resulted thus far from studies attempting to show a
> diet/CHD relationship is that there is no direct causal effect. You
> have results showing high instances of CHD correlating with high serum
> cholesterol levels but you also have results showing high serum
> cholesterol levels and low to fairly low instances of CHD! The Swiss
> are a prime example.

I do not say that saturated fat, per se, is killing people.
I say that in an average diet saturated fat content and the ammount of
micronutrients and antioxidants consumed are inversely correlated; and this
leads to an increased risk to health.

> By plant-based do you mean vegan? If that is your definition of
> plant-based then, yes, they are sub-optimal. There have never been any
> vegetarian civilizations in human history. You may find some that
> follow largely plant-based diets but pure vegetarian, uh uh.

No, by plant based I mean that the emphasis should be on the consumption on
vegetables, fruit and plant-derived products (because of higher
micronutrient density, lower fat level and level of antioxidants). Meat/fish
should not be excluded since its a great source for quality protein, some
minerals and some vitamins.

> Humans did not begin consuming large quantities of carbohydrates
> until the domestication of animals and cultivation of plants. The
> detrimental results can be seen by studying the fossil records. This
> isn't exactly news.

> I recall reading an article on a BBC web site that reported that
> eating less meat was conducive to a longer life. They were clear to
> indicate "less meat", not "no meat". Excerpt below:
>
> "But completely avoiding meat was not the healthiest diet, the
> researchers found.

Which I would sign any time.
It's impossible to bring that to vegan ears though..
I understand that they do have an opinion on animal handling and so forth
and I do support that to some degree (animal rights etc.) but thinking that
this diet is healthy is just possible with closed eyes and closed ears to
the outside world.

> For every 100 deaths among vegans, there were 66 among vegetarians and
> 60 among occasional meat eaters."
> Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2838083.stm

Too bad they didn't put an actual reference to the source literature there..
I would have liked to read the full study.

It's bad however, that they didn't include people who eat meat _excessively_
or at least not just "occasionally" in this comparison.. that would have
been quite an interesting information. leaving that out seems quite odd.


.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: conservatives more likely to be vegetarians
    ... >> directly rather than filtering the energy first with another ... again I acknowledge you can eat such meat - and that there exist ... lower-impact than some vegetarian diets. ... > veg*n diet, fool. ...
    (talk.politics.animals)
  • Re: conservatives more likely to be vegetarians
    ... You can eat meat that requires ... > lower-impact than some vegetarian diets. ... There is no meat centric diet, ... > believed that meat was important for athletes and the 19th ...
    (talk.politics.animals)
  • Re: Is Paul referring to farts?
    ... changes in diet. ... vegetarian. ... there that shows the benefits of a world-wide veggie diet in terms of ... I don't eat meat but I'm not a vegetarian and I don't ...
    (rec.music.beatles)
  • Re: Is Paul referring to farts?
    ... changes in diet. ... vegetarian. ... there that shows the benefits of a world-wide veggie diet in terms of ... I don't eat meat but I'm not a vegetarian and I don't ...
    (rec.music.beatles)
  • Jesuit and Vatican priest on their vegetarianism
    ... A Jesuit priest's booklet promoting vegetarian diet ... some of the Christian priests and preachers ... God's Covenant With Animals by ...
    (alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)