Re: Carb to Fat ratio in American food.

bob wrote: 
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:55:13 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx>
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bob wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:51:27 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <Bob@xxxxxxxxxx>
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bob wrote:


On 15 May 2005 13:16:32 -0700, "Tipster" <starchdiet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Having been brought up in a high carb (oriental diet, rice mostly) I
noticed that many of fast food (exclude beverages) that I can buy here
are low in carb but high in fat.

It seems really hard getting products that are high in carb. If I
wanted to get enough carbs I end up consuming more fat. So I end up
with an adaquate of carb but extrodinary high intake of fat (esp dairy
and animal fat). Excess calory consumption with an adaquate supply of
carb but too much fat and probably protein

Anyone feel the same way?

If you want finished fast foods, they're going to be carby and fatty. It's the nature of the industry because that's what the consuming public will buy. What's stopping you from buying fruit and bread and whatever you might want in that bread to suit your tastes? Or cooking some rice and bringing it with you? Stop in at Popeye's and get some of their "Dirty" rice. Hit one of the (generally inexpensive) fake Chinese buffet restaurants and pick and choose. You have options, just not at the average drive through window.



This is why the whole high carb diet is causing obesity is a bunch of
crap. Nobody would deny that fast food has contributed to the
obesity epidemic and fast food is fat fat fat. Meals consist of red
meat & cheese are the main entrees and maybe 1 roll on the side.

Um, Taco Bell. Er, Long John Silver's. Uh, KFC. Uhm Pizza Hut. 

Right. Red meat everywhere...


Red meat in tacos and burritos, fish, chicken, cheese.  So whats your
point?  That they are high carb?

No, sludgewit. That they aren't red meat. And that if you want to avoid it, it's very simple. And if you want higher carb offerings, go where they sell them or make your own. Like all the fast food places that sell salads that you put dressing on, not them. Want no fat at all? Simple. Want high carb? Ask for a biscuit or roll or two. Want some protein, little fat and lots of carbs? Salad with grilled chicken breast and croutons. There's always a way if you want to do it instead of just talking about it.

HTH.

The myth that the LC folks perpetuate about increases in obesity is
due to increase in carb consumption is crap.

Hey, fuckwit. You keep missing the message. Here it is for the last time. Fat people are fat because they ingest more calories than they use. It doesn't matter the source, really. So after reading that, everything else you've posted below this is pointless and just an opportunity for you to go all white-lipped and intense. Your blood pressure is through the roof, your capacity to understand simple sentences out the window, and your ability to recall what you posted diminishing with the meaninglessness of your insistence. The fat is in your head.

A higher percentgage of
peoples calories come from fat than carbs. As calories go up the
percentage stays the same. 

From your lame stupid-ass argument you have offered a sald with no
dressing as the low fat option in fast food restaurants.  I don't see
anyone just ordering a salad.

I offered *several* choices, most implicit in the names cited. Like pizza. Like tacos. Too fast for you to follow, right? They certainly aren't the only ones, but enough to demolish your assertion that it's all red meat and no carbs. See how logic works? No, I didn't think so.

What's causing obesity is ingesting too many calories compared to daily usage.

Thats what I already said.

No. It isn't. You claimed it was a kind of food in a kind of foodservice type. 

I am caliming diets are high in fat and used fast food as an example.
However you seem to think people are buying more salads without
dressing than burgers and fries.

However you need to look up what "non sequitur" means and take it to heart. You're the guy who only knows how to use a hammer so everything looks like a nail to you. You have one note in your symphony. Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat...

Because you have a bogus understanding of your own responsibility in the situation.

Thats why I eat lowfat and have a BMI of 22.

Everything about what you eat is up to you. 

Yea....

If you choose it, you take the full responsibility for its effects. 

Like I ALREADY said people choose high fat and they become fat,

You can eat fast food and not get fat, but it presupposes discipline on your part. 

Uh huh

I would deny that fast food has any more responsibility for obesity than the middle aisles of every supermarket. 

Is that beacuse you work at Burger King?  This is starting to make
sense now.

<LOL> Could you be more dense and stupid? That was rhetorical and you've already answered it.

Where the cookies and cereals and canned foods are stacked in gleaming invitation. 

I don't know to many meals centered aound cookes and cereals.  I would
look to high fat meats, dairy, etc.  Again maybe a roll or potatos as
the so called high carb portion of the meal.

Of course you would. It's that one note symphony again... Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat and not a word about sugar. Or processed grains.

And when all is said and done, it's the customers who are the final arbiter, not the sellers.
Really I though it was Burger Kings job to babysit everyone. Thanks
for the enlightenment. Just beacuse Restaurants can peddle their crap
and are not responsible for people buying crap it does not change the
fact that it is crap.

And opinions like that are crap. Like some foods are evil. Like the fact that people are choosing what they want to eat is somehow evil. Like anything but what you believe is somehow evil. Like that frantic insistence will transform and uneducated opinion into fact.

Don't want to be fat? No prob. Cut back on the calories. Write that down. It'll be on the final.

As fat makes up the greatest percentage of calories I would imagine
they will have to cut back on fat the most.

As fat *contains* more calories, ounce for ounce, than carbs or protein, an equal amount will have more calories. That's called "identity" and is part of the definition. As for what comprises most people's diets, you're simply full of crap and not worth discussion.

Pastorio
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