Re: They just finished doubling (corrupt) NIH funding over the last five years


TC wrote:
> > A system that has cut back to the bare bone any medical research in which
> > Canadian researchers are leaving Canada for the US.
>
> They stay to do useful but not ridiculously lucrative real research and
> they go to do lucrative but useless industry marketing research. You
> can have them.


COMMENT:
That's complete B.S. A lot of smart researchers come out of Canada,
and the smarter they are, the faster they come out. Yes, do keep
sending you best minds. Immigration really is the sincerest form of
flattery.


COMMENT:
> > A system that has closed many specialists medical training in which the
> > doctors are forced to go to the US for that training.
>
> Specialists that are not needed. You can have them. We, and you, need
> family doctors, GP's. Specialists are a dime a dozen.

COMMENT:
The reason we both need GPs in Canada AND the US is that we refuse to
pay them well in either place. This is related to the basic problem of
how to document and bill for thinking, which is what GPs do, as opposed
to procedures, which is what specialists do. A problem which has not
been solved North or South.

> > The list is endless.
>
> In your fertile imagination, it probably is. When you come back to
> reality, feel free to visit us and see what is happening in the real
> world in Canada, where the average life span is longer than in the US
> and where everyone gets access to a pretty darned good health care
> system. It's really neat to leave the hospital with a limb in a cast or
> a newborn child without having had to mortgage the house.


COMMENT:

With the notable exception of Hawaii, life span in the US, FYI, is a
pretty direct function of latitude, and I don't think it has to do with
vitamin D. Most Canadians live pretty close to the 49th parallel, with
their antennas pointed South. And if you take the average life
expectancy of the 12 US states that border Canada, and add them up, you
get numbers very close to Canada's--- somewhere in the vicinity of 77
years at birth (averaging male and female figues).

So what is wrong with the Southern US? A lot of things, including a
large and resistant underclass, and a very porous border with Mexico.
Both of which are killers for any medical system.

>It's really neat to leave the hospital with a limb in a cast or
> a newborn child without having had to mortgage the house.


COMMENT:

Yes, and if we could somehow connect Canada's southern border with
Mexico's via the 4th dimension, you'd find that a large fraction of
those people leaving the hospital with casts and newborns, are speaking
Spanish! And no, they won't have to mortage their houses; but after a
time of paying for this, you the Canadian taxpayer will need to mortage
YOURS.

Hawaii, BTW, escapes this, since these undocumented folks cannot swim
that far. Hawaii's average life expectancy is the US's highest: about
82. Its medicaid system is in fine shape. Do try to stick that data
point into your argument right where it belongs.

For a look at how ethnicity playes into this, you can take a look at a
state I'm familiar with: Utah. Mean life expectancy there at birth is
79 which is about what it is for Caucasions there (who afterall, make
up most of that state). Non-smoking Mormons do rather well, US
healthcare or not. Compare with Canada. But life expectancy at birth in
Utah ranges from 74 for African Americans and Native Americans, to 85
for Asians and Pacific Islanders. So there's a 9 year gap there, even
when these groups move right to the middle of the US. No medical system
can entirely cope with the residual effects of smoking, drinking, and
socioeconomic class. But at least Utah doesn't have to cope with a
Mexican border.

I'd be curious if you can come up with comparable figures for life
expectancy of ethnic groups in Canada. Do your "natives" make it to 74,
on average? I'll bet not.

SBH

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