Re: Montygram: Fish oils (Omega-3) do not promote harmful peroxidation


montygram wrote:

> Rats are not a good animal model, nor are cats, but dogs are. What is
> your point? I've suggested dogs many times.

I found you a dog experiment and you didn't like it. You won't like any
dog experiment you don't design, and nobody is going to give you
$100,000 to test your silly ideas. Cells from all mammals die in
culture without EFA addition (first making Mead acid in great
abundance). Why would anybody waste any more money killing whole
animals where all mammalian cells die without w-6 and w-3 EFAs?



Again, Burr used rats,
> which makes no sense if you are going to think about human fatty acid
> needs. I've already read the literature (mostly Holman's reviews). Do
> you realize that they compared a no fat diet to one with PUFAs. They
> didn't use a control diet of fats very low in PUFAs. That invalidates
> their claims.


Why should it? The claim is that you need *some* w-3 and w-3 PUFA in
your diet. A zero fat diet should be a perfectly good control, since
you can obviously MAKE any fat you need BUT w-6 and w-3 PUFAs.



> Also, the Mead acid was dicovered later, so they
> couldn't have compared omega 3s and 6s to the Mead acid in 1930 even if
> they wanted to, and they still have not done so to this day!

What do you mean "compared." All w-3 and w-6 deprived animals make mead
acid (w-9), just like dying cells do. So what?


> I would not be surprised if humans were healthier on a diet with a some
> saturated fatty acid content, but since it's nearly impossible to eat a
> totally fat free diet, what is your point?

It's hard to eat a fat free diet,but fat-free total IV nutrition was
the order of the day when it started. It produced results reminiscent
of vitamin deficiency, which were all correctable by w-3 and w-6 EFAs
given IV. These people did not produce Mead acid and do fine. Their
skin started turning into lizzard skin, and they died of infection.


> I've been avoiding omega 3s for about 4 years now and the benefits I've
> seen are incredible. Exactly when am I supposed to shrivel up and fade
> away (or whatever nonsense "EFAD" is supposed to do)?

You're still getting w-3's (enough to avoid overt deficiency in an
adult) if you're eating any plant fat at all. Probably you aren't
getting enough to avoid coronary disease, but the question when THAT
will kill you is open. If it does, I suppose one day you simply will
stop posting here. But shriveling beforehand is not expected.

If you really want to do an economically possible experiment, why don't
you have your blood omega-3 and omega-6 levels tested directly by a
reputable lab, like Kronos? Since you obviously can't make them, if
you have any in your blood, it's from your diet (even if you think
you're "avoiding" them.)

BTW, I'm curious as to how you THINK you're avoiding w-3 and w-6 EFAs.
Do you really think coconut oil doesn't contain them? What else do you
eat?

SBH

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