Re: 'Terrors of the Table: The Curious History of Nutrition


jt wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2005 08:32:36 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> >outsor@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> "And vegetarianism os supposed to be balanced and healthy, right?"
> >>
> >> When done correctly, yes. The body has x number of things in the right
> >> amount to be "balanced and healthy" and they can be found in a vast array
> >> of foods of all kinds, some people even include animal sources to secure
> >> them.
> >
> >Ok, then tell me where and how vegetarians are supposed to get the
> >following "things" in the right amounts from a diet bereft of animal
> >sourced foods:
> >
> >Vitamins:
> >Vitamin B-12
>
> tempeh and miso, fortified cereal etc, supplements
>
> >Vitamin B-6
>
> Ever eat a banana?
>
> >Vitamin D
>
> Sunshine? Whats wrong 5 minutes a day too much for ya? I don't think
> early mad was breastfeeding from cows or eating fortified dairy and
> cereal.
>
> >
> >Amino Acids (Proteins):
> >Tryptophan
>
> Sunflower seeds, peanuts, Quinoa, barley, cashews, walnuts, etc
>
> >Methionine
>
> Legumes, rice, wheat, corn, beans ,nuts
>
> Etc
>
> >Lysine
>
> Peanuts, sesame, beans, wheat, Brazil nuts, Sesame seeds, millet or
> rice etc
>
>
> Etc
>
> >Isoleucine
>
> Peanuts, sesame, beans, wheat, Brazil nuts, Sesame seeds, millet or
> rice etc
>
> Etc
>
> Threonine
>
> see above
> >
> >Minerals:
> >Calcium
>
> Almonds
> Brazils Nuts
> Dried figs
> Parsley
> Kale
> Hard Water
>
> Countries with the highest dairy consumption have the highest rates of
> hip fractures and osteoporosis.
>
> Causes of weak bones:
>
> Animal Proteins
> Sodium
> Smoking
> Lack of Phyiscal Activity (most important factor)
>
> >ferritin
>
> tofu, legumes, whole grains (including wholemeal bread), wheat germ,
> oatmeal, green leafy vegetables, peas, broccoli, potatoes, nuts,
> seeds, peaches and dried fruit.
>
> >zinc
> >
> Nuts, legumes, miso, lima beans, pumpkin and sunflower seeds, wheat
> germ, whole-grain yeast breads, whole-grain cereals.
>
> >Fatty acids (fats):
> >linoleic acid
>
> Vegetables
> Fruits
> Nuts
> Grains
> Seeds
>
>
> >linolenic acid
>
> Flaxseeds (linseeds)
> Mustard seeds
> Pumpkin seeds
> Soya bean
> Walnut oil
> Green leafy vegetables
> Grains
> Spirulina
>
> >
> >And how do they ensure that they do not overload on these dangerous
> >plant sourced "things":
> >
> >Phytates
> >oxalates
> >alpha-amylase inhitors
> >protease inhibitors
> >alkylrescorcinols
> >
> See above
>
> >If you, the vegan expert, can't easily answer these questions, how are
> >duped teenaged "save the animals" utopians supposed to do this?
>
> It can be done but it takes work. I don't eat any animal products
> other than a little cheese. Diets are not a religion with me and I
> don't worship at the low carb altar or the no animal foods altar.
> There is defiantly room in the diet for animal products just very
> little.

Nice guesses, but you are wrong on virtually all counts. The only one
you got right was fortified grains. And grains still, by themselves,
contain virtually no usable B12. So supplemetation is vital. And you
haven't addressed how much of these foods to get optimum amounts of
these nutrients. Way more than practical. If you get any they will
still be in minute amounts.

TC

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