Re: Cold-water fish, hot questions ;)

montygram wrote:

> If you
> want, you can do your own experiment: get a couple dozen feeder mice
> and feed half a diet of 30 percent canola and fish oil,

Why only these two? Seems a very artificial diet.

> and the other
> half fresh coconut oil. Give them the same protein/carb sources and
> just a basic vitamin/mineral supplement, and then see which group lives
> longer. It's as simple as that. Before you go spending a lot of money
> on supplements that will damage your body severely, do the experiment
> and see the cancer and the terrible mortality rates among the canola
> and fish oil group.

Yes, that's the scientific method isn't it? Why do the experiment when
you already "know" the answer?

> Lipid peroxidation is a major outcome of free radical-mediated injury
> to brain, where it directly damages membranes and generates a number of
> oxidized products. Some of the chemically and metabolically stable
> oxidation products are useful in vivo biomarkers of lipid peroxidation.
> These include the isoprostanes (IsoPs) and isofurans (IsoFs), derived
> from arachidonic acid (AA), and neuroprostanes (NeuroPs), derived from
> docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

Well, once again you've posted something you think supports you but
actually contradicts you. The above paragraph says that AA is
chemically and metabolically stable, the exact opposite of your normal
tirade.

> Other studies that have been done since 1948 have confirmed that omega
> 3s and 6s are not "esssential," yet people keep citing them.

How about you cite these studies (plural) you claim confirm
non-essentiality first?

> instance, in one experiment, healthy kittens were produced, even though
> the mother cat received no "EFAs."

If you looked at the kittens they'd have EFA in them. Also from what I
recall of the paper the majority of cats didn't have healthy kittens.

> I have challanged the attackers to put forth
> a scientific hypothesis for the "EFA" claim, but they are not even able
> to do that - a sure sign of a bogus notion.

You've been told many times that the problem is you don't understand
what "essential" means in a biochemical context. Whatever procedure or
test would satisify you that vitamin C is essential could be done for
EFA as the "essential" is the same.

MattLB

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