Re: Very low fat versus very low carb diets

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http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_frm/thread/0aab233360bcaf35/f941475544d0bb33?hl=en#f941475544d0bb33

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runnswim@xxxxxxx (Larry Weisenthal) wrote:
> >>On the other hand let's look at High Fructose Corn Syrup, refined wheat
> flour and sugar.
> Can you equivocally say that these three highly processed un-natural
> carbs are not toxic, even to some minor degree? <<
>
> Good grief. This is precisely the sort of talk that sets me off.
>
> At the time Pritikin wrote his books in the late 70s/early 80s, no one
> but no one was talking about glycemic index and stuff like that. The
> thing people focus on is the 10% calories as fat. Even Ornish did it.
> Ornish basically ripped off Pritikin and never gave Pritikin any
> credit. But Ornish didn't distinguish between what we'd now call
> "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, the way that Pritikin did from the start.
> Pritikin (working, as he did, in the pre-glycemic index era) didn't
> know about glycemic index, but his diet consisted of veggies, fruits,
> and unrefined cereal grains. The one thing hyper-anti-carb purists
> would cluck cluck about was the fact that Pritikin said that things
> like potatoes and carrots and what all (ostensibly high glycemic foods)
> were just fine. But he mostly got it right.
>
> Now, having said that, let's agree that sugar and high fructose corn
> syrup are to be avoided. That's what Pritikin said. He suggested the
> use of frozen concentrated natural apple juice, in small quantities, as
> a sweetener, if something like that was required. I don't put
> sweeteners in anything.
>
> But I have no problem eating baked or mashed potatoes, or popcorn, or
> chewy white flour bagels, or al dente pasta, or chewy Italian bread.
> I'll even have make a supper out of a mixed salad, couple of baked
> potatoes, and some broccoli or spinach, along with a big glass of
> non-fat milk. Then a nightly late night snack of unsweetened mixed
> berries, mainly because I like them and only secondarily for the remote
> chance that the anti-oxidants might be of tangible benefit.
>
> No, I don't think that any of the above are "toxic," even to a minor
> degree....for me. I presume that I'm descended from people who ate a
> lot of grains and potatoes and didn't have a problem with it. I'm half
> Finnish and I don't have a hint of lactose intolerance, so I can drink
> a quart of non fat milk per day, if I like. And I have the genetics to
> thrive on it.
>
> Other people probably would have problems with my diet. So I am not
> out to get everyone to eat the way I do.
>
> What people should do is to monitor their weight, and lipids, and blood
> pressure, and bowel movements, and whatever else concerns them and find
> some sort of diet that consists of foods they like to eat and which
> keeps their various health related parameters where they want them to
> be.
>
> - Larry W

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  • Re: Very low fat versus very low carb diets
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