Re: does the Diabetes Assoc. even know what a carb is

On 23 Dec 2005 09:15:28 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>jt wrote:
>> On 23 Dec 2005 08:40:17 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >jt wrote:
>> >> On 23 Dec 2005 07:25:21 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >> >TC wrote:
>> >> >> go to:
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>> >> >> http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
>> >> >> tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
>> >> >> carbs!!!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here is the message they give you:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
>> >> >> diabetes education. F**king morons.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> TC
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>> >> >This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
>> >> >what is a carb and what isn't.
>> >> >
>> >> >Carbs:
>> >> >Pears
>> >> >Peas
>> >> >Corn
>> >> >Pineapple
>> >> >Grapes
>> >> >Rice
>> >> >Apple
>> >> >Yams
>> >> >Potatoes
>> >> >Papya
>> >> >Toast
>> >> >Totilla Chips
>> >> >
>> >> >Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
>> >> >Bell Peppers
>> >> >Mushrooms
>> >> >Carrots
>> >> >Red Cabbage
>> >> >Cucumbers
>> >> >Asparagus
>> >> >Spinach
>> >> >Kale
>> >> >Salad
>> >> >Tomato
>> >> >Celery
>> >> >Broccoli
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>> >What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
>> >understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
>> >vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.
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>> So are you saying there is NO difference in the carb content between
>> the 2 lists? Are you really saying that a serving spinach and celery
>> have the same or more carbs than a serving of potatos or rice?
>>
>> Can you provide one example of a item on the vegtable list that has
>> more carbs per serving than the foods on the carb list? There really
>> does not seem to be anything arbitrary about it.
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>No. What I am saying this:
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>What the hell is wrong with a plate containing a protein portion,
>salad, broccoli and cucumbers without potatoes or yams or rice?

Nothing but that has nothing to do with what a carb is and isn't which
is what started this off.


>There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it is significant
>superior to a plate with a protein portion and potatoes or yams or
>rice.
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>And for the American Diabetes Association to say otherwise is
>ludicrous.

It is a stupid model for stupid people who can not bother to learn
nutrtion beyond looking at a pyramid etc. Obviously fats are
necessary as well but not according to this model.
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>And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?
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>Obviously, the ADA has an agenda which does not include scientific and
>nutritional logic and common sense.
>
What agenda exactly? Are you saying the rice and potato farmers are
shoveling more money than the beef industry?
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