Re: Researchers Discover Mechanistic Link Between High-Fat Diet and Type 2 Diabetes

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Matti Narkia wrote:

I don't know. I think that's worth finding the merits of a diet one way or
other.

I agree; I just don't think it's going to turn out that there's one way that everyone has to eat for optimal health. I do agree that certain dogma have arisen on both sides of the debate that cloud, rather than clarify what the actual merits may be.

In clinical diet trials people may exercise at their will, but 
randomization and large enough samples sort of guarantee that individual
differences in exercise will balance out between treatment group and control
group. And statistically could be verified that there was not significant
differences in exercise between groups. So it's probably not a big deal. Of
course exercise could be included into the treatment and the combined effect
could be tested. But then the question remains, what would be the effect of
diet, if person cannot or doesn't want to exercise?

Completely agree, but I wasn't only addressing exercise. There's also the other stuff mentioned in the Okinawan article I posted. A "don't worry, be happy" attitude toward life, close family ties, lifelong activity as well. Even Ornish doesn't have a diet, but a "plan" that includes meditation, improving family relationships, and smoking cessation. I would argue you'd need all of those to overcome the awful effects and experience of his diet plan! :-)

I thought that you especially were interested in separating the effects of
say very-low-fat diet and exercise ;-).


I sure am.


It may be futile attempt to find one single ideal diet, but we can try to
find general guidelines for healthy diet, which would be _safe_ for
practically everyone. Some subgroups may need individualization, as been
noticed even in this thread.

Yes, some of that stuff became clear as I was looking up HMG-CoA inhibition and pantethine and found that other inhibitors were pre and probiotics, garlic, ascorbic acid, cherries, berries, vitamin E... Certain foods and diets are rich in these components.


I don't know either, but that was the expression I read in some text about
Okinawa. Perhaps Okinawans themselves described it that way.


I guess I'm 75% full when I stop eating.  ;-D

Susan
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