Re: Liebig's Law of the Minimum


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MMu wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig%27s_Law_of_the_Minimum

I wasn't suggesting that "Liebig's Law" be specifically referenced.
Just the concept of the importance of having all useful nutrients in at
least the minimum amounts needed for optimal and proper development and
health.

But that is the basic meaning of the DRI's (or whatever the recommended
daily intake of essential food components is termed in the different
countries).

Actually thay are based on the minimum required to avoid overt signs of
disease or deficiency. That is not the same as enduring that one gets
enough for optimal health.

The DRI's are patheticly low, which happens to help the food industry
by holding them to a low nutritional standard and also good for the
medical and the pharma industries by not actually helping people
achieve optimum health.


They are based on the minimal amounts needed for maintaining health and add
some percentage to that (usually) to come to a recommended intake.

But some in the medical maintream seems to not see any importance in
this. In many instances medical people will be anti-vitamin. And some
even actively support an inherently nutrient-deficient diet like
vegetarianism and/or veganism.

I think that depends what you call the medical mainstream.
If you are talking about the consensus of the scientific community, then I
disagree-
if you talk about media presence things are a little different.

Consumer and popular media is owned by the advertizers who buy the ads,
which are the food and pharma industries for the most part. They also
own the universities that research drugs and health matters and train
the doctors that kick out the prescriptions and determine treatments.


The scientific idea behind what you probably call being "anti-vitamin" is:
teach people to buy, prepare and eat a healthy diet instead of encouraging
them to just take some vitamin pills because there is more to healthy
nutrition than just having enough vitamins in your diet..

Since when has mainstream medical doctors ever taught people proper
diet. They teach the line which is low fat and high carbs, now it is
whole grain carbs. Whatever the food industry, the USDA, and the pharma
industry wants to push at any given time. The AMA follows the lead that
makes their members the most money and it ain't good nutrition.

The very foundation of good health is good nutrition. And in light of
the poor condition of even our best and freshest foods being produced
by mass production methods, vitamin supplementation is often a damned
good idea.

Without the best foods possible there will not be the best nutrition
and without the best nutrition there will never be the best health.
Vitamin supplementation , in many cases, has become a necessity due to
the poor quality of even our best foods.


I dont agree that veganism is being pushed either (and I have not yet found
any instance where it was).
Vegetarism is different however.. while you may assume that a
nutrition-uninterested person (for the lack of a better word) on a
vegetarian diet will eventually develop deficiencies most of the vegetarians
are interested in nutrition and have a higher basic knowledge about food and
its contents [which is only natural because being vegetarian in most western
countries is an active choice, not a default option].
That is probably why, in comparisons with non-vegetarians, they do not come
off any worse and sometimes even better than non-vegetarians.

Actually, many of the better designed and unbiased studies on
vegetarianism shows a marked inferiority in a vegetarian diet. It has
been shown that vegetarian Hindus have up to 3 times the rates of CVDs
as non-vegetarians livng in the same areas. Other studies show that
most vegetarians are deficient of several nutrients. B12, some
essential lipids and some essential proteins.


And with regards to the "hampers growth" limitation, it makes sense
that this would be obviously applicable only during the active growth
stage. But during that stage of life when growth is not apparent, it
would also be applicable to health in general. Without the minimally
optimal amounts of all useful nutrients, health and/or growth will be
hampered.

TC


Without excellent nutrition, excellent health is un-attainable. It is
an absolutely essential pre-requisite.

And no pharmaceutical will ever change that.

TC

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