Re: crave carbs

Jim Chinnis wrote:
NoOption5L@xxxxxxx wrote in part:

The combination of sloth and abundance is deadly. And diets centered on flour heaps
on the injury.

Agreed, but enriched/non-whole-grain flour.

This seems to be the bone of contention between us. If you look up any
research on the glycemic response to "white" vs "whole grain" bread, you'll
discover almost no difference at all. This is because the "whole" grain has
been ground up into dust and the starch in the endosperm is available for
immediate conversion to glucose. it is the same in whole grain and branless,
germless flours!

The bran/fiber slows the digestion, does it not? So if you were to
grind a kernal of grain, with its bran/fiber, into flour the resulting
flour would have to be slower to digest, would it not?

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Things are improving in the supermarkets. Whole-grains are getting
more popular by the day (I remember back when you couldn't find any
whole grain-products (expect in health food stores). Organic is now
huge, grass fed beef and even things like buffalo meat are available.
Things are a changin'... finally.

You'd do better if you could/would buy from local farms.

Agreed, as long as the local farms are following good growing
practices.

But I've kept records. I gain weight when my carbs go up. I can lose it
pretty easily by watching the carbs. I watch the carbs by cutting out those
with a high glycemic load. It's not so complicated.

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I also exercise, before you ask. I cycle and walk a lot and I work out
almost every day at the gym. Despite that, I *still* pile on pounds if I eat
the usual recommended low-fat, high-carb diet. I've tried it.

Keep in mind it's the calories not the carbs.

Ummm. Well. It depends on how you mean that. My records show that when I try
to substitute carbs for fat/protein, I eat more calories. So I say it's the
carbs.

Recently, for about 6 months, I stopped running (due to circumstances,
not intentionally). With my lack of running and because I was just
lifting weights I bulked up to about 180. Following my normal, what
some would call high carb diet, and a return to running (I continued to
lift weights) I quickly/easily dropped more than 10 pounds. So that's
why I advocate: eat often, eat just enough to kill the hunger pains,
eat a large variety of foods, and eat the types of foods on that
webpage -- whfoods.com.

Is it even possible to eat enough fresh fruit that you'd become
overweight? I think you'd either become stuffed full or have the shits
long before you exceeded your caloric max for the day.

The problem comes with *flours*, which definitely make a very high-carb
diet possible.

Yes, but I contend if they were eating foods made with whole-grain
flour, that takes more time to chew and digest, they wouldn't eat
nearly as much and get better nutrition. On the other hand, the pasty,
smooth white/enriched flour you can chew/eat so fast that before you
know it you've eaten a ton.

Some overweight people live mainly on flour products (mostly
white, yes) and high-fructose corn syrup. For some, toss in a gallon of
beer.

lol

And that's just for breakfast. :-)

The sausage and eggs they work in is probably to their benefit.

Eggs, yes. Sausage, no. That's stuff is nasty. It's ground up
whatever is left of the animal (same stuff they use to make dog food)
and treated with fillers/preservatives.

And the research I've followed over the past six years shows I'm not unusual
in my response.

The research I've been following over the past 21 years has been saying
mostly the same things: a constant variety of veggies, fruits, whole
grains, lean meats/dairy, nuts/seeds, spices and teas.

Have you followed the randomized trials published in the past 5 or 6 years?
They tell me a bit of a different story. The fat in naturally-raised meat
and game is good for you. The CLA in dairy products from naturally-raised
cows is good for you. Despite being 100% fat, some olive oil is good for
you--or eat the whole olives. Fatty fish are good for you, even better than
lean fish, except that we have polluted the seas so much it may no longer be
and refined fish oil may be needed instead. Eggs are good for you,
particularly if they are from hens that aren't stuffed with n-6 grains.

Agreed, except for the fat in meat/game and dairy. Naturally-raised
meat and game is naturally lean; their normal activities and natural
diet minimizes the fat. Milk was meant for baby cows. Skimming off
the fat, that gives baby cows the calories to grow rapidly, is probably
a smart thing to do before human adults drink it.

Note: I don't follow low-fat. I eat nuts/seeds, vegetable oils, eggs,
and lean meats.

And carbs at the high end of the glycemic scale are bad for you if you aren't
lean.

The research I follow says worrying about the glycemic index of
individual foods is a waste of time. That a meal/diet consisting
complex carbs, some fat and a little protein gives a nice hot, long
burning fuel for your body to run on.

I've also seen a lot of diets come and go. The popular diets weave
some truth inbetween the bull. They hook you with the truth and hope
you follow the bull long enough to buy their diet book (looked at one
this weekend -- the book cost $29.95, and according to the scam artist... I
mean author, he's sold 3 million copies. Do the math. Not a bad take,
huh?) vitamin pills or supplements. These diets are all a scam to make
money. The truth isn't rocket science, it's already out there, and
it shouldn't cost you a thing.

I'm a consultant and do some work on the interpretation of research studies.
I don't buy diet books. I read the whole text of studies in reputable
journals (few and far between these days) and sometimes speak with the
researchers.

I'm just a nobody who reads a lot. And over the last twenty some years
I've found the basic advice of eating your fruits, veggies, some meat
and eggs, nuts/seeds, spices has never come and gone.

Patrick

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