Re: A calorie is NOT a calorie!

"TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:


Jim Chinnis wrote:
"TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:


Jim Chinnis wrote:
"TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:


Jim Chinnis wrote:
"TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:

FACT: 95%+ of low calorie diets fail.

FACT: 95%+ of diets fail.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@xxxxxxxxxxxx

That figure came from studies in the 1970's before the low carb "craze"
of the late 1990's and early 2000's. Do you have any scientific data
that says that this failure rate also applies to low-carb diets? Or are
you just guessing? Or wishing? Or hoping?

TC

I knew people on Atkins in the late 60s. They've remained fat all their
lives, with brief slimdowns here and there. Ever since the 1960s, low-carb
has been one of the diets on the short list of popularity.

I guess that is all the scientific proof needed. You knew people on
atkins in the 60s.

It proves it isn't new.

I'm unwilling to look up cites right now, so just say I'm making up the fact
that (at least!) 95% of weight-loss diets fail over the long haul, as well
as that most people are fat.

Unwilling? Lazy ***. Then shut the f**k up. Mind your own beeswax.
Unwilling!

No wonder you've resided in my bozo filter for so long. Unlike you, some of
us have jobs, families, friends, and lives.

I agree that low carbing, done right, will result in weight loss over the
months or maybe longer with the right unflagging motivation. I follow a
reduced carb diet myself and have done so for years. And my weight is good.
But low-carbing is only part of the reason for my success, and it's no
panacea.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Low carbing is the only "panacea" that actually works. Except for
dangerous abject nutrient deprivation like that advocated by the vegan
cults. If you can remove all the processed and refined manufactured
crap from your diet, you will maintain a reasonable state of weight and
health. Real food. Real fresh whole food. Real meats from healthy
animals. Eat real food and you will be healthy and thin(ner).

Back to your objection to my 95%+ of diets fail remark. Even in the boom
years of Low-Carb, it's been shown that low-carbers aren't often found in
the National Weight Control Registry, which is the national database on
long-term successful dieters:

Obesity (Silver Spring). 2006 Apr;14(4):710-6. Related Articles, Links


Are the eating and exercise habits of successful weight losers changing?

Phelan S, Wyatt HR, Hill JO, Wing RR.

Weight Control and Diabetes Research Center; 196 Richmond Street,
Providence, RI 02906. sphelan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to examine whether the diet and
exercise behaviors of successful weight losers entering the National Weight
Control Registry (NWCR) have changed between 1995 and 2003. Research Method
and Procedures: Participants (N = 2708) were members of the NWCR who
enrolled in intermittent years since 1995. Participants had lost an average
of 33.1 kg and maintained a 13.6-kg loss for 5.8 years before enrollment.
Evaluations of diet and physical activity were conducted at entry into the
NWCR and prospectively over 1 year. RESULTS: From 1995 to 2003, the daily
percentage of calories from fat increased from 23.8% to 29.4%, saturated fat
intake increased from 12.3 to 154.0 g/d, and calories from carbohydrate
decreased from 56.0% to 49.3% (p < 0.0001). The proportion consuming <90
grams of carbohydrate (considered a low-carbohydrate diet) increased from
5.9% to 17.1% (p = 0.0001). Physical activity was elevated in 1995 (mean =
3316 kcal/wk) but comparable in all other years (mean = 2620 kcal/wk).
Stepwise regression collapsing across cohorts indicated that weight regain
over 1 year was related to higher levels of caloric intake, fast food
consumption, and fat intake and lower levels of physical activity (p <
0.03). DISCUSSION: The macronutrient composition of the diet of NWCR members
has shifted over the past decade. Still, only a minority consumes a
low-carbohydrate diet. Despite changes in the diet over time, the variables
associated with long-term maintenance of weight loss were the same:
continued consumption of a low-calorie diet with moderate fat intake,
limited fast food, and high levels of physical activity.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@xxxxxxxxxxxx


The authors of your cite:

Holly R. Wyatt, M.D., Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of
Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver. Receives consulting fees from
Ortho-McNeil, USANA, and GlaxoSmithKline. Receives speaker fees from
Roche Laboratories, Abbott Laboratories, Slim-Fast, and Ortho-McNeil.
(N. Engl. J. Med. 2003;348:2082-90)


James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
Denver. Co-chair of the Clinical Advisory Board of the Grain Foods
Foundation. (http://www.grainpower.org/hp_experts.asp; accessed
7/25/05) Member, Blue ribbon advisory board on health and wellness,
PepsiCo.
(http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/IROL/78/78265/presentations/121304.pdf;
accessed 5/31/05) Member of the McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory
Council on Healthy Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
activities that address the need for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
(http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/press/corporate/2003/05212003/;
accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson &
Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from
Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090.)
Member of the expert advisory board for the American Council for
Fitness and Nutrition. (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html;
accessed 10/31/03) Research on weight management supported in part by
Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31.) Member of
the Foodfit.com advisory board.
(http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00)
Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the Sugar Association to
inform New York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity.
(Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on
the role of carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the
Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded
by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Lead author
of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am J
Clin Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85.) Co-wrote a 1998 report for ILSI on
"Carbohydrates and weight management." Research on the effects of
covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food
intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am J Clin Nutr.
1998;67:1178-85.)

Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant to
and received research support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight
Watchers Advisory Board; has received research support from Ross
Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly,
WW)

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about ILSI:

http://cspinet.org/integrity/nonprofits/international_life_sciences_institute.html

INTERNATIONAL LIFE SCIENCES INSTITUTE

Founded "in 1978 to work toward a safer, healthier world. ILSI is a
worldwide foundation that is making a difference in public health by
advancing the understanding of scientific issues related to nutrition,
food safety, toxicology, and the environment. ILSI is governed by an
Assembly of Members, which includes one representative from each of its
more than 400 member companies, and an elected Board of Trustees of
renowned scientists from academia and industry, all of whom volunteer
their time and expertise. ILSI members represent the world's leading
manufacturers of food and food ingredients, chemicals, pharmaceuticals,
and other consumer products." (http://www.ilsi.org/about/; September
22, 2000) ILSI has branches in about a dozen other countries/regions.

In 2006, the World Health Organization excluded ILSI from WHO
committees that set global standards for food and water supplies
because of links between ILSI membership and funding from the
commercial sector. (Clapp, Stephen. "ILSI excluded from WHO
standard-setting activities," Food Chemical News, 2/13/06).

ILSI has received funding from the alcoholic beverage industry.
(Addiction. 2001;96:197-202)

ILSI's fall, 1996, N.Y. Academy of Science conference on fat
substitutes was funded in part by Procter & Gamble (Mother Jones,
May/June, 1997, p.14).

Members of ILSI North America:

3M Microbiology
Ajinomoto U.S.A., Inc.
Archer Daniels Midland Company
BASF Corporation
Campbell Soup Company
Cargill, Incorporated
CNS, Inc.
The Coca-Cola Company
Colgate-Palmolive Company
ConAgra Foods
CTI Foods
Danisco USA, Inc.
DSM Nutritional Products Inc.
DuPont Haskell Laboratory
General Mills, Inc.
Gerber Products Company
GlaxoSmithKline Research
H.J. Heinz Company
Hershey Foods Corporation
International Flavors & Fragrances, Inc.
Johnson & Johnson
Kellogg Company
Kraft Foods, Inc.
Masterfoods USA
McCormick & Company, Inc.
McNeil Nutritionals
Mead Johnson Nutritionals
Monsanto Company
National Starch and Chemical Company
Nestlé USA, Inc.
Novozymes North America, Inc.
The NutraSweet Company
Nutrinova, Inc.
Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc.
The Pepsi-Cola Company
Pfizer, Inc.
The Proctor & Gamble Company
Red Bull North America
Renessen LLC
Roche Vitamins, Inc.
Ross Products Division/Abbott Laboratories
Sethness Products Company
Tate & Lyle North America
Unilever Bestfoods North America
Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company
(http://www.ilsi.org/misc/NAassem.pdf; accessed 4/11/06)

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Take your food industry propaganda and shove it.

TC

Talk about cherry picking.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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