Re: fructose = toxic & addictive foods = chronicly high insulin levels = obesity

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:52:13 -0400, Larry Hoover wrote:

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"Some good reading on high fructose corn syrup:"

I was reading articles about corn syrup a year or more ago and its
effect on hungar feedback activity. That is not the point, your naive
commentary on an article you did not read is. I did not speak in favor
of using corn syrup, all my responses were taken up with correcting your
vacuous lifestyle food cult agenda driven spin and propaganda. You
confuse having a good response with being able to make a response, any
response, regardless of its validity, such is the level of your grasp of
the science involved. Unless you have read the article, you still don't
know about the hunger feedback loops involved but still you prsist in
massaging the keyboard as though it alone could substitute for the
facts.

I do appreciate the frustrations that can creep into keyboard debates, but ad
hominem responses do not begin to address the loss of understanding underlying this
communication failure. In reading both your messages, I cannot find support for your
assertion that TC was spouting propaganda. HFCS sweetener use is very highly
correlated with trends in body weight. No other variable, including total fat
intake, saturated fat intake, trans fat intake, or total calorie intake, is so
highly correlated to obesity. Sorry, no pat references for those assertions. Just my
own personal summary of available research.

I am inclined to believe that HFCS-obesity correlation, as any *added*
sugar gives you extra calories and doesn't fill your stomach!


There is another mechanism, apart from this insulin-dependent one, which also
contributes to the increases seen in obesity: de novo lipogenesis. Driven by
consumption of simple and complex carbs, the liver produces fatty acids from carbs.
Those fatty acids just happen to be the preferred storage fats for adipocytes. In
turn, the adipocytes begin to secrete hormones and other modulators, further
complicating the insulin/leptin balancing act, and keeping the liver primed for fat
production.


The "consumption of simple and complex carbs", as a whole, is a different
kettle of fish.
AFAIK, that carbs-obesity link applies when the calories from carbs are
*extra* calories, id est calories you don't need. But then, you can even
have a high-carb diet and lose weight, if you eat less calories than you
burn.


Seasonal variability in food sources could well have driven such an
evolutionary adapatation, but post hoc rationalization is far from foolproof.
Gorging on fall sugars and starches, just prior to a winter of possible starvation,
would certainly favor those individuals who could quickly "put on the fat".

Just because HCFS arises from agriculture, with corn surely a natural product
thereof, does not preclude its being toxic nor addictive. Both toxicity and
addictiveness depend on dose, and increasing HCFS dose is certainly an issue arising
from modern industrial foods.

Lar


In my view, added sugar and sweets are sort of "addictive" (in a way that's
different from a "drug dependency", though) for some people, not for
everyone.





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