Re: experts make me sick

On 5 Jan 2007 08:22:12 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

spamfree@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On 4 Jan 2007 10:01:41 -0800, "TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Karolyn wrote:
Seems like the writer TC was originally saying the expert neglected all
the junk food the family was consuming.

At least that is what I read, but I do not read that well.

I am just surfing...no response is necessary. I may never get back
here again.

You are right. But you missed the main point which is that all the junk
food is carb heavy junk foods, and the "expert" ignores the carb heavy
junk food and is ok with 150 lbs of potatoes, but heaven forbid a
little fat on the potatoes.

A little fat is fine, but when one is consuming too many calories, one
would surely look to the most concentrated source of that energy to
cut down first. Many of those snackfoods mentioned (they could all
well be cut) contain more fat calories than carb calories. and then

actually no.

Actually no, what?

there is a good case to cut excess fat from the potatoes when too many
calories are being consumed. Mashed potato mashed with a little fat
free milk is a fine and satisfying low calorie food containing many
valuable micronutrients. Obviously, if still too many calories for the

actually no. low fat potatoes will give a greater blood glucose spike
and you will eat way more with less satiation.

But this is not shown in research and measurement. Of course, if you
have a glucose handling problem, that might be a different matter, but
normal folk find potatoes very satiating.

And boiled skinless
potatoes simply become a relatively nutrient deficient pile of high GI
starch.

Well, not so when you measure them. But I agree, the skins are best
left on. We get spuds here that are so well washed, that they could
almiost be plonked in the microwave as is and cooked until just
detectably crisp. Delicious, filling and very nutritous.

Did you not read what I already wrote about the proper to
prepare potatoes? Obviously not. Your just here to make noise. Troll.

You really do appear to have problem, and you apparently can't bear
any scrutiny of your assertions here.
Do I detect a bit of authoritarianism here with "proper way"?
Read my method of cooking potatoes, and note that I don't call this
the "proper way" You would do yourself a favour to moderate your
language, othewise I will have to regard you as a net kook and ignore
you like so many here have already done.

body's needs are being consumed, this could be reduced as well, but
only after the empty calories are cut from the diet. jack

Here are some simple question regarding your almighty calories:

Why does countig calories fail in more than 95% of cases?

Umm, because folks don't count them well and cheat and whatever? I
don't know, but whenever they do a fully controlled experiment in a
laboratory, calories ALWAYS add up. So whatever causes this figure you
are claiming, it is not to do with food energy equations.

How is it possible for low-carbers to maintain their weight or lose
weight on 300 or more calories per day than low fat dieters, as was
shown in at least one study a couple of years ago?

I don't understand this, sorry. Are you trying to say that
carbohydrate calories are somehow different from other calories?
Problem with this is that no scientific experiment has ever shown it
to be so, as far as I know.

Exactly how does the body monitor its caloric status? How does it
detect a caloric deficit or a caloric excess? What physiological
mechanism detects the caloric status? And when the body detects a
calric imbalance, how specifically does it trigger cells to store or
release fat? What are the biological processes and cascades involved
from the detection of the caloric balance to the final storage or
release of fat? Hormones? Enzymes? Processes? Is it done by osmosis or
alchemy?

Where to start??? Have you tried to study a first year biochemistry
text? It's all in there. Just one little point I think you have not
got your head around, and that is the concept of concentration
gradient. Solutes tend to move down a gradient by themselves (down
means from more concentrated to less concentrted) and need energy if
they are required to go against the concentration gradient. So a very
simplistic model for the reason for cells to store or release fat
could be understood as when the cell contains a lower concentration of
fat inside the cell membrane than outside, fat will come in through
the membrane, and vice versa. If the concentration is higher inside
than out, the fat wil move out. If fat is being used up furiously for
energy needs, then fat will be constantly flowing down the
concentration gradient out of the fat cells and intothe bloodstream to
be used for its contained energy, with the residual carbon dioxide and
water being excreted in the usual fashion. This is an incredibly
simplistic explanation, but shows that the process is very well known
and understood, and ALL calories must be accounted for and are either
converted to mechanical energy, heat, or excreted or stored as
chemical energy.

I've read a number of bio-chemistry textbooks, and I've yet to see the
exact mechanism of the caloric balance theory explained in detail.

Well, they won't spell it out as such. It is really just a "bottom
line" effect seen from all the myriad complex feedback mechanisms that
go on in the human body. Try to apply each bit of the biochemical
principles you come across to the energy balance that is observed in
EVERY full examination of animal bodies.

But I have read the chapters on the endocrine system and what a high
carb diet does to the blood glucose levels and what that does to the
insulin and glucagon leveles and how those hormones trigger fat storage
and fat breakdown. And those chapters say nothing about calories.

Huh? They probably don't mention New York, either. What is the point
of that strange coment? Look, you have read about a tiny feedback
mechanism that keeps blood glucose at very tight levels as required by
the body.Can you not move out and apply similar principles to the
whole body? Once you understand how one small part works, you tend to
find that the principles are applicable to vitually every other aspect
of the body.

The caloric balance theory of obesity is a failed and outdated
black-box relic of the mid 1800's being propped up by advanced degree
pinheads on the food industry payroll. We've come a long way since the
days of the flame calorimeter of the 1850's.

Oh dear, you ARE a net kook. Sorry, but I will not benefit by furher
discussion with you and will henceforth ignore you. I will however
comment to the group when I see any misleading nonsense from you in
future. Have you been trotting out tis stuff here for long? I went
back a few months and you seem to be reasonable, perhaps I missed
something. jack

Little wonder you have problems with your biochemistry text with this
bizzare concept. You should probaly benefit from a kindergarten
chemistry text, but then, probably not.
.

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