Re: A cure for diabetes from 1806?

On Feb 4, 6:41 pm, Jim Chinnis <jchin...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"TC" <tunder...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:

Barley, oats, wheat, triticale, lupins, peas, etc. These are more
commonly used for cattle feed than corn.

Here (the US) they are used extensively during the final week or two before
slaughter, and in a phasing-out system during the calf's first week at the
feedlot. Partly, this is to kill off pathogens in the rumin that cannot
survive when the corn-induced hyperacidosis is normalized by the relatively
more normal diet.

Americans like the yellowish fat on corn fed beef. Canadians do not.
It is cheap beef, in our opinion, and is not up to our standards,
taste-wise and consistency-wise.

They have to be very careful on the amounts of grains they feed
cattle. Too much too fast can cause all kinds of gastric problems
which can lead to illness and possibly death.

Have you ever had barley-fed beef. The last half-beef I got was barley
fed. The best beef I've ever tasted.


Most countries other than the US have strict regulations on the use of
hormones and anti-biotics for cattle used in the food chain. And those
cost money, so any feedlot or producer worth his salt will avoid those
as much as possible. There are other ways to manage cattles health
without using meds.

Of course. Grass prairies and pastures are wonderful and almost eliminate
the need for antibiotics (and do eliminate the abnormal corn diet). But
feedlot animals being stuffed with number 2 field corn (manufactured into
feed by adding a bit of fiber from grains, plus hormones to shorten the
time-to-market from 4 or 5 years down to 14 months) suffer from diseases due
to the abnormal acid of the rumin, inactivity, and standing
shoulder-to-shoulder with their pen-mates in one-anothers' wastes. The usual
rule that antibiotics only be used in case of illness means that nearly all
of the feedlot animals get antibiotics almost all the time.

Not in Canada. Little corn. And the feedlots aren't a big as they
could be, but they still have room to move around. Manure management
is very important as well. And again, it is easier to keep them
healthy thru proper feeding, and avoid having to apply meds of any
kind.


I am not employed in the meat industry, I just know several producers.
All of them family operations.

In my book, feedlots ought to be criminal. They cause enormous suffering to
millions of animals and then inflict suffering on the consumers of the meat
from those stressed, sick, poisoned creatures.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchin...@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Did you write about feedlots from a first hand perspective? Were you
physically in the feedlots? Did you witness this carnage? Or did you
just report on what someone said about someone they know whose uncle's
second cousin once saw a documentary about this?

And can you tell me exactly which feedlot, in which town in which
state was the bad one(s), or the worst one(s). If you wrote a book
detailing this industry, you should be able to mention the name of one
or two companies that owns feedlots that is especially bad. Can you
name one? Or, conversely, can you name one that is run exeptionally or
even reasonably well? Some of these operations are quite impressive in
how they manage the cattle to ensure a high quality product. Can you
even give me the names of any companies or individuals that own
feedlots, regardless of their performances?

It is fine to make sweeping generalizations, but at some point, an
expert in the field such as yourself, who has written a book on the
topic, should be able to provide specific details of the companies or
indivduals involved and provide details of specific incidences with
dates, names and the exact nature of the offensive actions.

TC

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