Re: industry touchy about internet sites and vaccine criticism

On Feb 21, 10:25 am, "Jeff" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"TC" <tunder...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Feb 20, 5:47 pm, "Jeff" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"TC" <tunder...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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You honestly believe that the CDC works on behalf of the US people?
Gov't and gov't agencies have been in the pocket of industry since
Ronald Reagan's first term in office.

TC

Jeff replies: Yes, I believe that the CDC works on behalf of the US
people.

And the FDA, and the USDA?

Jeff Replies: Yes, for the most part, they do. The FDA and USDA do have too
many industry influences. So does Congress.

Vaccines have saved millions of lives. The medical scientists who work at
the CDC are very bright people who want to help their fellow Americans,
for
the most part.

They are mostly industry people helping industry people. The consumer,
ie. taxpayer, are a source of revenue, and nothing more.

Jeff Replies: I disagree. Most of the people who work at the CDC are
scientists, not industry people.

I am always amazed at how naive Americans are. They just don't
understand the simple fact that money makes their world go round.
Including, and especially, their regulatory and governmental agencies.
They actually believe that the most capitalistic governmental and
social system in the world is capable of having a gov't bureaucracy
and agencies that are completely independent of industry influence.

Jeff Replies: I never suggested that the gov't is free of industry
influence.

Wake up and smell the coffee.



This is true for the NIH, IMHO, as well.

70% or more of the NIHs research is industry funded. How independent
do you think they are? And how much of this research is for the
betterment of humanity rather than profits. God, you are naive.

Jeff replies: Virtually all of the NIH research if funded by the gov't. Get
a clue.



Please cite some specific instances where employees of the CDC or NIH were
shown to be in the "pocket of industry." Unfortunately, there are some
instances where there was some conflicts of interest, but it is very rare
for the conflict to affect the regulartory functions of the CDC.

Jeff

"Very rare"? You are kidding, right? Again, the naivete is astounding.

Jeff responds: You seem to think that it is not very rare. Which should make
it easy for you to provide specific examples.

TC





On Feb 19, 10:02 pm, "Jeff" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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You will see below that the study was supported by the US people (US
gov't)
and a private foundation, not by industry.

The authors are not getting "touchy" about anything. Instead, they are
reporting the results of their study of anti-vaccine websites.

Jeff

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Acknowledgments
This project was supported in part by funding from the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Immunization Program,
through U66/CCU719217-03 to the Society of Teachers of Family Medicine
(STFM) Foundation. Its contents are the responsibility of the authors
and do not necessarily reflect the official views of the CDC or STFM.

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=20534

USA Today reporter misleads readers by not investigating both sides of
a story
Alan E. Moses
Alan E. Moses
February 13, 2007
Anita Manning's front page story in the USA Today newspaper from Feb.
9th 2007, Autism estimates increase sharply. Has some very inaccurate
and misleading information. Claiming that the mercury compound
Thimerosal was removed from all vaccines 6 years ago is just not true.
Thimerosal is still in 80% of the Flu vaccines used and although
reduced, is still in some of the childhood required vaccines of today.

Also you are lead to believe that all scientists claim that there is
no link between Thimerosal and autism. Studies done independently of
influence from government and the pharmaceutical industry have shown
that Thimerosal can be classified as a contributor to autism as well
as other disorders. The company that holds the patent to Thimerosal
admits that this compound is in fact toxic to humans. Eli Lilly does
not manufacture Thimerosal anymore. However, does sell the rights to
manufacture to the Gihon Company of Argentina as Lilly owns the
patent.

The CEO of Lilly Sidney Taurel is a major player in Homeland Security
and the inability to sue any vaccine manufacturer is protected by this
governmental entity. Kind of like the fox watching the henhouse.
Homeland Security is intended to protect us from terrorism and those
that may do us harm yet, Vaccines or ingredients there in that may
inflict death or disability are protected from prosecution.

Dr. Verstraeten at the time an employee of the CDC's National
Immunization Program was the lead author of a study done by the CDC in
1999. Known as the Thimerosal VSD study Phase I-Update 2/29/00. A
meeting was convened at Simpsonwood Georgia from June 8-9 of 2000 to
discuss the results of this study. Using the Freedom of Information
Act, Safeminds an organization that has long investigated this issue
received the written transcript from this meeting. A quote from Dr.
Verstraeten "We have found statistically significant relationships
between the exposure (Thimerosal) and outcomes." Is very telling.

Dr. Robert Brent also a member of this meeting appeared upset by the
results of the study. He is quoted as saying "This will be a resource
to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country". "They want
business and this could be potentially a lot of business."

When the public was allowed to see this study it had been altered and
adjusted so that the numbers no longer reflected the original results.
Despite many requests the CDC has denied access for independent
scientist to attempt replicating these findings. Scientific results
require the ability to replicate information to claim a sound finding.
Any true scientist will tell you that once you have completed a study
you don't have reason to alter said study just because you may
disagree with the outcome. This is in fact is not professional or
ethical.

I can assure you that if you would knowingly give someone a toxic
substance that can injure or kill them you will be held both legally
and financially responsible. We all make mistakes and should be
forgiven if we acknowledge them. However, to continue making the
mistake or to lie about it using the entity that is financed by the
victim to protect them just doesn't seem right.

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TC


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