Re: HIV infection theory confronted

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:36 -0000, TC <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 10, 5:03 am, GMCarter <f...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:47:24 -0700, TC <tunder...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 7, 5:48 am, GMCarter <f...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:26:05 -0700, anilswapnilhj...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
A team of scientists from the Imperial College in London suggested
that the presently accepted theory may be wrong reports The Analyst
Magazine. I saw the report at

http://theanalystmagazine.com/july2007/101.htm

Wildly misinterpreted really. HIV causes AIDS...what's unclear is HOW
it causes AIDS. People who aren't HIV infected don't see their CD4
count plunge to zero over time.

By contrast, Duesberg has nothing sensible to say about that
whatsoever and never has. "Drugs" don't cause AIDS.

AZT's and other AIDs drugs have been shown to have side effects that
very closely mimicks the symptomology of AIDs.

AZT may cause anemia and muscle wasting. However it does NOT cause
CD4+ T cells to plummet to zero, which happens when people are NOT on
AIDS drugs. To the contrary. And indeed, lower doses can work as well
with fewer side effects, lowered HIV load and increase in T cells.

And many recreational
drugs have been clearly shown to suppress the immune system. So your
blanket statement of drugs not causing aids is misleading.

"Suppressing" the immune system is not the same as T cell counts
dropping to zero and developing oddball opportunistic infections like
Pneumocystis or MAI. Heroin doesn't cause that. Cocaine in any of its
forms doesn't cause that.

"Suppress" the immune system enough with these drugs and general
malnourishment and see what happens.

Most people on ARV DO eat well. A multivitamin/mineral can help,
whether on ARV or not.

The issue, dear, is that people with HIV NOT on ARV drugs (antivirals)
see their CD4 count drop and AIDS develop. They die, like David
Pasquarelli and Michael Bellefountaine did who believed HIV was
harmless. They died of AIDS. Not malnutrition. Not antivirals.

Trying to say drugs cause AIDS is just nonsense. They can CERTAINLY be
harmful--even lethal--in their own ways. But that is NOT the same as
AIDS.

AIDS is acquired immune deficiency. Suppress the immune system with
any of several different factors over a long period of time and you
will have acquired immune deficiency.

That's what I'd call belligerent ignorance. AIDS is characterized by
suppression of CD4 counts as the primary immune deficiency. Heroin
doesn't cause that. AZT doesn't cause that.



It's just a ridiculous conflation of issues that shows a deeply
confused mind that does not know the facts.

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Chronic opiate and other drug abuse mixed with general malnourishment
causes the same kind of immune suppression as HIV is supposed to
cause. Fact.

Bull***. Provide citations for this lie.

The sad thing is that this obsession with the HIV has people looking
for a drug answer to the wrong question. Many HIV positive victims
were perfectly fine health-wise until they started on these drug
coctails. Many HIV positives don't show symptoms for decades. The
HIV=AIDs people made up a word to describe them, non-progressors. That
is not supposed to happen in virology.

It happens in EVERY disease. Including viral infections. Herpes
simplex I or II is a perfect example of a remitting/relapsing
infection.

It would help your arguments if you didn't just make *** up.

In virology, if you have the virus you are supposed to shortly develop
the symptoms, no ifs, ands, or buts. And if the virus causes the
disease, then making up a vaccine should be a simple matter. but after
thirty some odd years, there still isn't a vaccine.

There isn't just ONE vaccine for flu, is there?

"Shortly develop symptoms" -- wow...more made up nonsense.

Virology isn't rocket science. It is supposed to be pretty
straightforward.

LOL...it's a lot more complex than a simple minded dolt like you
apparently can recognize. I mean, I'd be more sympathetic to you if
you haven't been around this block before....but you have chosen to
remain belligerently ignorant.

You remind me of Bush.

If HIV causes aids then where is the vaccine? Why are there HIV+
people without symptoms for decades and decades? Why are there HIV-
people with symptoms of the disease? Why has the disease not
progressed significantly outside of the high risk groups? Why are
there multiple definitions of AIDS around the world? Why has the
definition changed numerous times, every time being expanded and
increasing the number of victims? Why is there no gold standard test
for HIV?

These questions have all been addressed before. See here:
http://www.aidstruth.org/

Frankly, I'm quite sure you don't really care about the answers so you
can embrace your delusions.

George M. Carter

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