Re: Soy Milk And Kidney Stones

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"TC" <tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sep 8, 4:22 am, trigonometry1...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Soy has been eaten for centuries but soy milk hasn't
and as other will point out traditional soy products
are made by somewhat different processes than the
industrial process used to make the modern products.

Soy milk has been used for centuries in both China and Japan with no ill
effects.


If you eat natto, that is a traditional soy product.

Lots of fluids will also help prevent any sort of stone.

The major cause of excess oxalate is ileal disease according
to my old textbook (1995) as this will increase uptake of the
oxalic acid. Further fat malabsorption will limit
the available calcium because the fat will form "soap"
hence permit more of the oxalate to be available for
absorption and trouble.

The major cause of excess oxalate in stone formers is from dietary sources,
although fat malabsorption will also cause oxalate excretion. In fact, the
SE USA is called the "Kidney Stone" belt due to the high prevalance of
oxalate stones from collard green (a high oxalate food) consumption and
dehyrdation from the heat.

How is your parathyroid hormone level?

80 to 90 percent of your oxalate comes from endogenous
production in the liver.

The only soy that was traditionally eaten was FERMENTED. And it was
eaten as a condiment, a flavouring agent, in SMALL quantities. No-one
used soy as a food except in times of starvation and always always
always fermented.

I disagree. Tofu, soy milk, natta, and tempeh have been used for centuries
in the Orient. In fact, Orientals have a low incidence of stone formation as
well as lower cancer and heart disease rates.

Soy milk is not milk, it is ground soy bean. It is NOT fermented. It
contains phyto-estrogens and phyto-toxins because it is not fermented.
And more than 80% of all soybeans grown is GMO.

The harmful soy phyto-toxins are destroyed when soy mash, used to make soy
milk, is properly heated. All reputable US manufactures heat their soy milk.
As for GMO, the most populur US brands, like White Wave and EdenSoy label
their products as GMO-free.


Soy is not real food.

Millions of Orientals and Occidental vegans would disagree. What is not real
food is meat, as you are consuming sentient, warm-blooded creatures which we
should protect, not destroy. Go to a slaugherhouse and then see if you still
want to eat meat.


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