Re: Will the "MattLB" types now admit they are wrong?


"Taka" <taka0038@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Mike, long time no see. I was particularly interested in the exact
fish/flax/omega-3 oil doses people are taking because that's what I
think got me down cup of years back. In this respect you only provide
partial information because it's not clear how many grams are in your
capsules (I guess your dose is on a daily basis). But hopefully, as a
member of the MattLB crew, you have provided enough explanation of
your "natural" diet what has been called for as well.

From what I can tell you seem to be well protected form the negative
effects of the PUFA/omega-3 supplementation by:
1) EV olive oil antioxidants
2) keeping VitD levels high
3) restricting high GI carbs (many people consuming larger doses of
fish oil seem to do this, unfortunately I didn't)
4) red vine - if the French paradox is due to resveratrol and not
saturated fat
5) other antioxidants in cocoa, fruits, veg
6) indeed good genetics - you carry your mother's, not father's,
mitochondria
7) apparently no stressful life

Taka

Your response reveals ineresting philosophical differences in approach.

Experienced engineers and clinicians are required basically to be
pessimists.
Normally there can be pretty severe consequences unless they assume the
worst case as far as present knowledge permits, and to design accordingly.
People tend to be upset if bridges collapse, spacecraft remain in permanent
orbit around mars, or wheels fall off their cars owing to metal fatigue.
Clinicians of course, are concerned primarily one hopes, about their
patients' safety, but of course they seek safety in numbers, selecting
established therapies, and generally trying to avoid being sued. Therapies
traditionally lagged 10 to 20 years behind current discoveries, and
undoubtedly tend to suffer from difficulty in getting their profession to
drop current conventional thinking.
I assume that you are a biochemist of some kind, with an appropriate
philosophy for you profession.

How does this affect our discussion?

You assume that I inherited maternal genes. This leaves your non-mainstream
theories minimally disturbed and make mine largely a matter of good fortune
in spite of my a which at least that tends to refute your current science
and convictions. I assume pessimistically that I inherited my paternal
genes.

My simple engineering approach is 1) where possible to deal with fundamental
laws 2) where possible to make direct observations 3) to assemble best data
from many available sources and to form the best compromise based on
experience and the work of others.

My "fundamental" in this case is that the human race is amazingly adaptable
and has absorbed natural variation of climate, seasons, diet variations and
starvation from the equator to the poles, and this of course includes some
man made innovations such as agriculture.
My "observations" of couse could only come from a limited range including
self, familie(s) and friends.
The broad clinical and nutritional science appears to indicate that plant
oils have been to some extent be in all versions of the human diet and have
numerous metabolic benefits; BUT that modern man made fooling with
processing, *isolation and concentation of nutrients, general nutritional
excess*, resource depletion, and environmental destruction, are where our
main risks lie.

In spite of inheriting my paternal genes, I have tried to minimize genetic
and other risks, and "go with the flow". So far seems to be working for me.
I hope your way works for you, but do let's avoid the traps of dogma.

Personal bottom lines: 1) IF IT AIN'T BROKE DONT FIX IT. 2) Assume nature is
right until proven otherwise, (then test the hell out of it especially
drugs).
3) Look for favorable nutritional odds with variety, especially plants. 4)
dont be too serious.

MikeV
Non expertise personified.

Nick/montygram/monty1945 and his five year plus "stream of consciousness"
crusade.
I think he needs desperately needs to be respected and loved.. (does he have
anyone in his life?) I regard him as knowledgeable but obsessed.
I think you are occasionaly at risk of adopting some of his tones and
incantations, but you also show some signs of an open mind.
I am sure glad he has found a disciple to take care of him. :-)


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