Re: To Iron or Not to Iron

On Feb 20, 3:28 pm, ferr...@xxxxxxxxx wrote: All in all whatever the
cause of iron levels in the area it is not from
meat. <<

Soooo .. we are getting to the .. your agenda .. **meat**..

Aren't we ..

"Asians have the highest iron levels" ..

THAT is THE .. question .. WHY do the Asians have SUCH **high
iron** .. levels ..

NOT .. "they don't have high iron levels" .. IE: "whatever the cause
of iron levels in the area" ..

Understand .. ?

You cannot argue "they don't have high iron" and then admit right
away .. that they .. DO ..IE: "whatever the cause of iron levels in
the area" ..

It is the very basic of the .. Debate101 .. sorta like Bloodbagging
101 ..

Any way .. either of them isn't .. math .. and the question is .. Why
DO Asians have such high iron levels ..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm
Asians, Pacific Islanders Have Highest Blood Iron Levels
ScienceDaily (May 1, 2005) -- BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- UAB and
international
scientists studying iron-overload disorders have made the unexpected
discovery that Asians and Pacific Islanders have the highest levels
of
iron in their blood of all racial/ethnic groups who were screened.


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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430222454.htm

The above is a different story about the research results then you used
before.  The previous one made it appear that conclusions about asians
was only among those with the genetic mutation for iron overload.  Thank
you for this second variation and its clarification.

Sadly it leaves the iron causes all disease because people eat meat
notion in an even worse situation.  In the above occurs this about the
mutation that causes the iron overload:

ses organ damage when severe iron deposition occurs due to inadequate
control of iron absorption by the small intestine."

Which says what you don't want to hear, the body controls iron uptake in
the gut.  In cases of iron overload there is some disorder that disrupts
gut control.

India today has the world's highest rate of diabetes and other metabolic
disorders, it also is a region with a low or no meat consumption.  Until
the last 20 years or so it had a low diabetes rate and the change
occured with no great increase in meat consumption.

The above article also said:

""This may mean
   that the Asians and Pacific Islanders have a different genetic
   mutation that has not yet been discovered, or that they do not, for
   some reason, develop hemochromatosis/iron overload despite their high
   blood levels of iron."

What this means is that with little or no iron from meat levels are high
and thus must be high from plant sources.  As they suggest, there might
be another mutation that would in this case cause iron overload from
mostly plant based diets alone.

It also means prior to the past 20 years, and still in rural areas,
diabetes etc. was low despite their high iron levels.

All in all whatever the cause of iron levels in the area it is not from
meat.  Also where diabetes is low in the past and now in rural areas it
is still in a population with high iron levels.  You cann't have it both
ways.

Thus once again the iron from meat causes all disease notion goes down
in flames.

A low meat population with mostly plant foods has high iron and high
diabetes.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

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