Re: For What it's Worth

From: Gutbuster (dont-stare_at_me.private.parts)
Date: 10/25/04 

Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:43:24 +1000

"NorthernSpy1" <northernspy1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041025155600.11769.00002938@mb-m29.aol.com...
>>> The fact you were responding to doxy so dramatically implies it was an
>>> infection.
>>
>>Doesnt explain why, on each time after the first, taking the full course,
>>the effects were lessened to the point where I noticed nothing much change
>>by the fifth.
>
> One interpretation is you didn't take it long enough -- or needed Tequin
> or

That makes absolutely no sense. I took the full prescribed course 5 times. I
think that after that length of time, it should be making MORE of a change
if it were working all the time. I had no pain after the first course but it
came back. I had a major reduction in pain the second time and less and less
each time until there was little change by the time I finished the fifth. If
it were working, the pain should have gone each time like it did the first
time.

> something to supplement it -- to completely kill the infection. Taking
> any
> antibiotic too briefly many only strain out the bugs that are most
> resistant,
> until in the end only the resistant ones are left.
>

I still cannot understand how you think taking the full course 5 times is
too short! Given what Doxy does to you if you go out in the sun, I think I
am pretty damned good taking it FIVE TIMES (full course each time) given
that the sun here is more direct than northern hemisphere countries. It is
Spring, here right now. If I go out in the full sun and stand there or walk
around (makes no difference) but dont go in the shade, I feel the sting of
burn after a few minutes. That is with NOT taking Doxy.

It occurs to me you may think I mean, regardless of me saying "full course"
so many times, that I took only 5 tablets. No! I took the FULL COURSE 5
times.

> I know, I know -- possibly bacteria had nothing to do with it. I merely
> suggest what I think is the infection theory explanation for your
> experience.
>

As I said, it makes no sense to say that. Any antibiotic that is working
should make a difference as taken over time. After 5 times of taking the
full course, it should mean that you have done a major dent to the infection
if not cured it. In my case, like many others here, it meant that the
positive effect was less each time. Eg, take the first time, get a GOOD
response from that and pain goes. It comes back. Take the second time and it
mostly goes then all comes back and so on until the fifth where the pain is
there, I take the full course and it makes almost no difference. Pain is
there.

The way Doxy makes you feel sick when taking it, too, it skews the sick
feeling that is caused by prostatitis. I couldnt tell if the sick feeling
was because of one or the other or both.

>>Any docs actually saying that and MEANING it have no idea about prostate
>>problems. While there may be a small percentage of people who DO have the
>>problem disappear, it HAS to be, so far as I am aware, over 95% of people
>>who never get rid of the problem short of having the prostate removed
>
> That percentage cannot be right.
>
> I had a prostate infection in 1978, took antibiotics, and was cured... for
> 26
> years. Completely and wholly cured.
>

Like I said "a small percentage" do get a positive effect like you. However,
the prostate is a filter which is why your antibiotics dont work well, if at
all, on most men.

>>Other reports over the years suggest that bacteria and human bodies build
>>up
>>resistance so that when you get an infection that needs antibiotics,
>>taking
>>them does nothing.
>
> Yes, of course, but you are over generalizing.
>

No, I am not. If you keep taking them for the prostatitis and then you need
it for some other problem you develope, you CAN reach the point where your
body actually doesnt respond to antibiotics for a simple infection.

> Taking doxy doesn't build up resistance to other antibiotics, or at least
> doesn't build up resistance to antibiotics not in the tetracycline class.
>

Sorry but it does. That has been one of the major things about it and other
antibiotics. Even my doc warned me of that consequence.

> For serious infections (for example, bacterial pneumonia) you're not going
> to
> get an old, bacteriostatic antibiotic like doxy anyway.
>
>>My point, however, is that taking Doxy has less effect whenever taken,
>>though, on the prostate. As it did this for me (and I am not saying it is
>>a
>>general thing though from others saying the same it seems likely it is),
>>it
>>seems useless to be spending money on Doxy when the effects it gives
>>disappear to nothing much after 5 courses of them.
>
> I can't find the link, but I've seen a guy claim to be CURED, and he says
> his

I've seen people claim they were cured who suffer sleep apnea, MS and other
problems that cant be cured, too. There are plenty of bull*** artists who
post in here claiming that Manilla protocol and other quackeries are cures
when there is no doubt they are just posting to make money and nothing else.
I would say to take what they say with more care than taking Doxy!

> problem was he never took antibiotics long enough -- in his case, Levaquin
> for
> 2 months. He's still "crossing his fingers" but his cure has continued
> for 3
> years so far.
>

2 MONTHS? Most people here, myself included as I keep saying, took them a
LOT longer than that. 5 courses here! More than TWICE as long as 2 months!

> Levaquin is a dangerous drug -- and taking it for months may (often )
> cause
> serious side effects. But most of us would take that risk for a cure.
>

Never got to take that.

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