Re: TRUS and EPS

From: Painman (prostateman2_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 11/23/04 

Date: 23 Nov 2004 08:21:17 -0800

"Evangelical Idiot" <armageddon@USA.com> wrote in message news:<7Qzod.127215$cJ3.51760@fed1read06>...
> "NorthernSpy1" <northernspy1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041122201622.06500.00000620@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > >here is a doctor who claims "chronic prostatitis is almost always an
> >>> autoimmune problem" (a theory that got a big boost when a guy going for
> >>> a
> >>> kidney transplant had his immune system knocked out, which also stopped
> >>> his
> >>> pelvic pain!).
> >>
> >>Yes, and if he really had a hidden bacterial infection, the
> >>immunosuppression would have let it rampage through his system. Please
> >
> > We disagree.
> >
> > an infection and an autimmune response can co-exist (some websites say)
> > (yes, I
> > know I website is nto a "study"). You kill the infection, and you may
> > stop
> > the autoimmune response.
>
> You're missing the point. If you have any kind of infection and during this
> infection someone wiped out your immune system with immunosuppressants,
> you'd get a MASSIVE, maybe even life-threatening infection. Capiche? There's
> nothing to combat the bugs or keep them in check.
>
> > note that the infection can affect one organ, and the autoimmune response
> > affect a wholly different one. The classic example is rheumatic fever
> > which
> > derives from a strep throat infection.
> >
> > www.medical-library.net/sitesd/_rheumatic_fever.html
> >
> > But perhaps more offten (as with rheumatic fever) the original infection
> > is
> > GONE but the immune response remains. I'm not saying I belieive it, but
> > it
> > makes sense. I note I sometimes have Reiter's symtoms (pink eye, painful
> > heels) which could mean something.
>
> Have you had the HLA B-27 antigen blood test yet? Use Google ...
>
> > But show me the authority that proves it's dangerous to take plunky old
> > doxycycling for a year. Little or no downside there.
>
> LEARN TO USE MEDLINE, YOU LAZY ***.
> http://tinyurl.com/4tnnn
> http://tinyurl.com/4jmoy
> http://tinyurl.com/56onc
>
>
> > Ask Gabe.
> > www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/2521.html
> > www.drmirkin.com/archive/7207.html
> > www.rheumatic.org/mirkin.htm
> > http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/4090/
>
> Gabe Mirkin is a certifiable nutcase. See
> http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=1825

Let me tell you all a little something about infection. It it easy to
wish for an infection. Sure, why not? Take a little pill and it is all
over. Please... As for Mirkin, he quotes Shoskes at CC in Florida and
says he agrees. Ask Shoskes, he does not. I have been to Shoskes, had
my EPF checked, was checked by three URG, to other doctors, had seemen
cultured, urine for days, even sent epf and firt void urin to lab in
Denmark for Mycoplasma etc, DNA and real time PCR tests. No bactieria.
Most of us do not. I am living proof. You must check out
http://www.pelvicpainhelp.com/ I suffered for 3 years. Once you
rule out something like cancer, duct problems, and bactiria, then this
is where to turn. I just left a clinic there and for the first time I
have some relief from pissing 20 times a day and that buring golf
ball.

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