Re: For those with investigative minds--long

From: Anne Carle (acarle_at_munge.com)
Date: 12/08/04 

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:02:53 -0500

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:08:28 -0600, "djgordon"
<danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Well, now that I have said my peace I am taking a break. Some of you seem to
>see the need to question everything everyone says and I get tired of feeling
>defensive all the time with some of you. Read the story yourselves and see
>if you truly think no matter how distraught you were that you would act this
>way, especially waiting til 1 am to call the authorities. It's sad that
>opinions are taken as fact and can't be taken for face value. I have never
>heard what some say that other MT groups say about you first hand, but I am
>beginning to agree that civil discussions can't be had. Someone flames,
>someone demands proof, someone is just hateful no matter what. Just one
>thing for those who say oh we've heard that before, she'll be back. You're
>right, I will be back, but I don't know when. For now lurking is the best
>thing as some of you are just bad for the karma.
>
>Dani

Dani, I hope you'll reconsider. As one of the originals signers of the
petition to start smt, I've been around here since its inception. I
assure you the nitpicking has always been here and probably always
will. I think part of it has to do with the kind of people who end up
in MT--they're usually intelligent people who have necessarily adopted
a "critical thinking" mode because of the nature of our jobs.
Sometimes that thinking gets a bit extreme <GG>, and when combined
with the reader/poster only skimming posts because of time
constraints, we get replies sometimes that are truly off-the-wall. To
those whom you respect, ask them to reread your post--to those who are
contentious and seem to question everything you say, just tell them
they obviously have misunderstood and then mentally "write them off"
if they persist. Their stuff usually dies a quick death if you let it
hang out there for the whole reading world to see! <GG>

Anne/OH

>"djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:7Dvtd.41012$Dm2.3061@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> Better yet, I'll post it myself. Of course, be sure and look yourselves
>for
>> those of you who need "source" documentation and decide for yourselves. If
>> those of you who think I'm jumping to conclusions and making unfounded
>> accusations will care to read the original post, I made it very clear I
>was
>> asking you what you would think or do if you were investigating this.
>What's
>> so hard about that? Story below and if you go to the actual page there is
>> the audio from the interviews with the WITNESSES about the suspicious
>> activity.
>>
>> KATIE'S MOM -- " I KILLED MY BABY... ", REPORTS WITNESS. Hear the Complete
>> Interview
>> DAY 8 OF THE SEARCH
>>
>> Anna Prendergast
>>
>> Monday, December 06, 2004
>>
>> In an exclusive interview with NewsChannel 6, a couple that knew Johnny
>and
>> Sandy Gray say the couple showed up at their doorstep the night their
>> daughter, Katie, was lost in a rain-swollen Massac Creek acting
>> suspiciously.
>>
>> AUDIO -- LISTEN TO THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW
>>
>> The couple, who only agreed to an interview if their identities could be
>> protected, say they told their story to authorities. McCracken County
>> Sheriff Frank Augustus would not confirm that his investigators had talked
>> to the couple. What follows is a summary of what the couple told
>NewsChannel
>> 6's Anna Prendergast:
>>
>>
>> Earlier today when asked about suggestions his daughter's disappearance is
>> anything other than an accident, Johnny Gray responded," Accusations are
>> upseting..People express their opinions in different ways. I dont care.. I
>> know what happened".
>>
>>
>> But a couple that lives near Massac Creek, and claims to be friends of the
>> Grays, says the story the public is hearing is not the entire story,
>"There
>> was too much of a time lapse from when they got to our house and the time
>> the baby supposedly dissapeared".
>>
>>
>> In his report to police and in interviews with NewsChannel 6, Johnny Gray
>> said his Blazer (actually a vehicle he was working on for a former
>employer)
>> in Massac Creek near Mayfield-Metropolis Road around 10pm November 29th.
>>
>>
>> Gray's story is that his wife dropped the infant, still strapped in her
>car
>> seat, and that he grabbed the seat from the water. Gray says he then lost
>> his footing and let go of the car seat.
>>
>>
>> He says he then walked down this road for about a 12/2 mile before
>stopping
>> at a friend's house for help.
>>
>>
>> The couple that has come forward says they were those friends, but that
>Gray
>> and his wife claimed their car had broken down and they needed a ride
>home.
>>
>> "I asked them where Katie is they said she's at the babysitters".
>>
>>
>>
>> Later, the Gray's returned to the house with a different story, said one
>> witness, "the second time they came back they said we got to tell you the
>> truth. Katie is down there in the creek".
>>
>>
>>
>> That was about 1AM. The 911 call came into police at 1:08AM.
>>
>>
>> That's when, according to our source, Sandy Gray, sobbing, said,
>>
>> "She said I killed my baby....I killed my baby...I know i killed my baby!"
>>
>>
>>
>> Among other developments Monday:
>>
>> For the first time.. No search of the creek for the infant. Investigators
>> say they are taking re-evaluating the search. Part of the problem is that
>> days of heavy rain are again causing the Massac Creek to rise.
>>
>>
>> COPYRIGHT, WPSD-TV and WPSDTV.COM, All Rights Reserved
>>
>>
>> Dani
>>
>>
>> "djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:Qrvtd.40970$Dm2.34764@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> > Specifically for you, OldMT22, I would suggest you read the entire story
>> > before telling me that I am basing my thoughts on no actual facts!
>> >
>> > Okay, for those who think I am just slinging accusations with nothing to
>> go
>> > on, go read the damn case yourselves instead of just the little bit I am
>> > giving so I don't end up writing a book, my posts are long enough. Go to
>> > www.wpsdtv.com and read about it to your little hearts' content and then
>> > come back to me. All I am saying is that IF it is foul play, then that
>is
>> my
>> > take. I hope to hell it is just like they said, BUT BUT BUT if it's not
>> then
>> > that is my take on what MAY have happened. Sheesh! Do any of you who
>have
>> > slung the crap at me over suppositions understand what hypotheses,
>> > suppositions, investigational thinking, and the like are even about. How
>> > many of you think O.J. is guilty even though he was acquitted? And why
>in
>> > the world would you think that, would it be because you formed your own
>> > opinions from the evidence you read or heard or learned about?
>> >
>> > Dani
>> >
>> > "Oldmt22" <oldmt22@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:20041207230615.08215.00001605@mb-m05.aol.com...
>> > > >> My take--they somehow hurt Katie bad enough that she was either
>> > > >>> > dead or
>> > > >> near
>> > > >>> > dead (maybe shaken baby or something like that) and then went
>and
>> > > >>> > put
>> > > >> her in
>> > > >>> > the creek knowing the rising water would carry her into the Ohio
>> > > >>> > River pretty fast.
>> > > >>> >
>> > >
>> > > I would certainly hate for you to be on a jury for any type of a case.
>> > You
>> > > seem to be able to formulate a case of guilty before you even know any
>> > facts.
>> > > Be careful, someday you may be tried for an accidental injury or death
>> > case and
>> > > have the someone with the same mind set as yours as one of the jurors.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

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