Re: What is wrong with people? REALLY! OMG

There is nothing in any of those snippets (or the full posts) that say I think this is okay, and neither am I saying the parents are wrong. You are saying the parents are wrong, I am not saying they are right or wrong. All I ask is that you please read and comprehend the posts before commenting on them, and if you don't understand whay I've said, please ask me to clarify it. I would prefer you not accuse me of saying things I did not say, and I did not say this method of protection is okay or not okay.

DJGordon wrote:
Phyllis, well, I have to remind some of what was first said by you I suppose:

"I think had they been long enough to sleep without
curling up, it may have been different; sort of like those beds with the
netting fastened all the way around so the patient can't get out and go
wandering.  Of course, it goes against our grain to think of children
being caged, even if it is for their own protection, but I've seen
special needs children and they do need special protections.  I think
the children felt protected as well."

You changed your tune early in the discussion. You seemed to disagree with the arrangements, but you presumed to "think they felt protected." Now you are fighting everyone who thinks it's wrong, even though you seemed to state in this post that you thought it wasn't right either. Couldn't stand to agree with the majority just one time? How could you possibly think that they felt protected when you know nothing more than we do? And have pointed out to more than one of us that we have no more facts than you do. Then you have said this which kind of turned your earlier post 180 degrees:

"The cages were for the protection of themselves and others, it wouldn't
have mattered if they'd had one or 50. "

You basically then turned around and agreed with the arrangements and have said numerous times about secure and protected when none of us have the first clue about it.

It boils down to the fact that cages are not a humane way to bed children, I don't care if they are disabled, NDA, or foster, or adopted, or even homeless.

And this post all of a sudden went from me being too close to the situation because I had a disabled child to im1whalen (sorry can't think of your name offhand and you don't sign your posts) being an expert on it because of being a foster and adoptive mother to disabled kids. Considering neither of us have mentioned putting our children in cages, then we are not any closer or more expert on this subject than anyone else except for having a bit more knowledge than some about the trials and tribulations of raising a disabled child. That's it. Justin didn't live in a cage and whalen didn't mention any of hers living in a cage, soooo where's the expertise and where's the correlation? There is none.

We all have our opinions...they're like assholes (everybody has one)....and to those with the opposite opinions think they stink (like all assholes)...so some of us think it's so terribly wrong, some of us think it's apparently not a big deal, and some apparently are wishing they'd thought of it first. Who cares? All that matters is that these kids end up getting the help they need and more attention than two parents can give to 11 very special needs children. That's all I care about in the long run. If they want to leave the three that didn't have to sleep in cages with these parents, go for it, but for those who need the extra attention, get them out of there and placed in differing places where more one on one attention can be given.

There are already lies being told on behalf of the family by their attorney. The cops reported that the cages were 40 by 40 stacked in a corner of a bedroom during the day. The attorney for the family released a statement saying they were cages built around the bunkbeds....and he is the only one who has described them this way so I am having a hard time believing it. If there are already lies being told this early in the game, it's hard to reserve judgment in favor of the parents. Remember, this is the same mom who filed charges against the dad a couple years ago for abuse and neglect of 8 of their children...then withdrew it. Hard to reserve judgment in a case like this and not form an opinion early on just on the basis of not agreeing even a little bit with kids in cages.

You don't like puppy farms, do any of you?

Dani


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