Re: The internet

many treatment centers USE the 12-steps in their programs.
I use a variety of methods.
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Yes, and the only one I am familiar with here in Eugene does use AA as a
part of their treatment.

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Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
"Bam" <deercounselor@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Kathy, many treatment centers USE the 12-steps in their programs.
I use a variety of methods.

My feel? When an addict decides they will truly be sober they will be,
and
it won't matter if they are in AA, rehab, in my office, sitting on a
mountain in Fiji.

One of my favorite cliches from AA:

It works if you work it....... and that applies to any of the sober
support
systems.



"Kathycarp" <kathycarp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I believe the only thing that can truly fill that void and bring
healing
is spirituality, and the facilities you mention can't really provide
that.

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This "treatment center" vs "12-step program" is such a useless issue, I
think. Some people "get it" in a treatment center. Some people "get it"
with
12-step. Lots of people in AA "got it" in a treatment center and are
continuing sobriety in AA. So what? Sober is sober.

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Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
"Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Bam" <deercounselor@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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At the rehab I attended once, they discharged me when my insurance
ran
out after a week. Guess I was cured. LOL!

You had the option of paying to stay, why didn't you? If you were
truly
serious about recovery then money would not have been a barrier,
right?
Where do you suggest the money comes from to run the facilities?



No, actually I didn't have the option to pay. The cost was around $300
per day, and I had just lost my job and was quite unemployable.

As far as the money it takes to run the facilities, I don't have much
faith in facilities that sell recovery because I don't believe it's
something you can sell.

Addiction is basically about trying to fill an inner void with
something,
drugs, food, sex, relationships, gambling, etc.

I believe the only thing that can truly fill that void and bring
healing
is spirituality, and the facilites you mention can't really provide
that.

What holds NA together is to focus on its primary purpose, to carry the
message of recovery to suffering addicts. NA is not distracted from
this
by any financial bottom line or other business agendas. This
environment
has no "experts" or "counselors", no authority figures, but just the
therapeutic value of one recovering addict helping another.

You claim an 88% success rate, but do you think an addict that has
relapsed and is in active addiction is going to be honest with you
about
that, especially if you have any kind of relationship to their parole
officer or court system in any way? LOL!

I'm certain you're aware that addicts in active addiction tend to be
facile and manipulative liars, especially about their using.

ed








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