Re: OT: Shades of gray?

GRRR. HOw is it lying to keep your mouth shut. If someone out and out asked, I guess they might not feel they had a choice. Truth is, no one knows for sure - no matter what they think. What bothers me is the glee these types seem to feel thinking about it. It has always disturbed me - thinking because someone didn't have the truth (that varies depending on what one has been taught) they are doomed - EVEN IF THEY THINK they are right. This stuff has nearly driven me mad at times. It makes no sense that a loving God would create us knowing what would happen, then sit back and say "Well, nobody told you about me so POOF" or "Well, someone told you about me but then they raped you when you were 10 but too bad - no excuses POOF."

Good thing I wasn't there to hear something like that. I would have lost it. People who do these things are not Christians - OOH judging again, right? Well, CHristians reflect the love of Christ. Anyone who would say that to a grieving person has no love in them. Sorta like these wackos protesting at funerals blaming these soldiers for fighting in a war (they have a choice) and saying God killed them because America accepts gays. Sorry, someone rammed a hot poker up these peoples' collective butts but they do not know the Jesus most of us who grew up in church learned. How can they think adding to the pain of these families is going to bring anyone to their way of thinking. <off soapbox>


Pam Persons wrote:
Ouch...my ears are burning. ;) Actually I didn't hear what she said and didn't realize what had happened until H. told me once we got home. I must have walked in just after she said it, though, because I remember things got quiet when I came back in the room. I just figured ya'll were talking about me.

To this day, I can't believe a friend could be so cruel. Even if she someohow absolutely knew it to be true, which, of course, no one ever could, she should have kept it to herself. When I confronted her about it, and she said she "couldn't lie."

BTW, that's specifically who I had in mind when I said some folks are afriad to look at the gray areas in life. Ask me about that Hebrew novel she's had for 2 years and is afraid to read.

"Blupencl" <Blupencl.25cnkd@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:Blupencl.25cnkd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Susan Mitchell Wrote:

What a pig that preacher was and may I add typical of the
fundamentalists I
have run into in my path, wastes of human flesh! I wasn't going to
jump in
this thread but preachers like that are why I'm not attending churches
--
there are way too many of them -- in fact I feel they all have a bit of
that
in them.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
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"Sandi" <SandiWorkman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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If so, then that's exactly what I was referring to. Sitting here in
class, I don't have a Bible on me, but my belief is that it is not up
to me to judge whether anther person is a Christian because I can't
possibly know what is in his heart. Of course we are instructed to
show our Chrisitanity to others through our behavior, but since none

of

us are perfect, it's entirely possibly to have the proper heart and
still make mistakes that would lead others, if they aren't on their
very best Christian behavior, to point fingers.

I sat at my father's funeral and listened to a fundamentalist

preacher

say, almost verbatim, "Bill wasn't a Christian, so he's in hell

today,

but you don't have to be." He honestly thought he knew my father's
heart. What a sick, sick example of a man professing to be a
Christian.

Sandi


I had a friend say something similar to that to me about my husband -
to my face - in the physical presence of somebody who is on this board
right now. :) She didn't mean anything hateful to me about it at all.
It is just that she truly believed it.

I realize I'm not God. I realize I don't know what's in everybody's
heart and I'm not sure about all the rules. Nonetheless, I can speak to
some of what was in his heart, and as mad as he made me, and with all
the bad things he did in his life, he did many, many good things, and I
can't see a benevolent God putting him in hell. He couldn't help his
raising and he struggled all his adult life to TRY and believe. He just
didn't have the foundation.

I still love the friend who said that to me, but it made me more than a
bit mad at the time till I realized that we all have our beliefs,
whatever they may be, and hers don't have to match mine. :)


--
Blupencl



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