Re: OT: Shades of gray?


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"Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Do you see what I'm saying?
Yes.
Do you still not believe in predestiny?

I believe in it because the Bible states that it exists. What I do not
agree with is that a person can know their own destiny or the destiny of
anyone else. Only God knows that.

Thank you!!! I've been saying this for I don't know how long.
God to Michael the Archangel: "Mr & Mrs Chait are going to have a baby in
three years. They'll name him Ed. He'll be this kind of student, that kind
of son, etc. He'll also be an atheist, and one day he'll be a Christian.
He'll die and then we'll chat on Cloud #280. --- And that's all known
before your conception. Maybe even 500,000 years before that.

NONE of that is going to change; not by you and not by anyone. That was
your destiny.

As I think you can tell, I don't believe in "free choice" like it's
written in the bible. Oh yeah, you have the "choice" to write with a blue
or black pen, and you have a "choice" to send your wife flowers on your
anniversary ... but it was known WAY BACK what your choices were going to
be ... long before you were thought in your parent's head.

I don't buy into the whole "Adam & Eve were tempted" story. It was known
LONG BEFORE they came to be what was going to happen.

I hope I've explained things okay.

Ahhhh, but does the fact that God foreknew your choices have any effect on
constraining or governing your choices?

I don't think it does. God knows the timeline from beginning to end, but
that does not force anyone to make a particular choice.

He knows beforehand what our choices will be, but that does not constrain or
govern our choices.

I believe that Adam and Eve had complete free will, but that God knew what
their choice would be. The fact the He knew did not force them to make the
choice He knew they would make.

Do you see the distinction?

ed


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