Re: OT - I may be in the minority

Eliyahu wrote:
There are too many conflicting social goals to make anything like that
work effectively. One of the things I've learned from working with


Probably so; but what we've been doing sure ain't workin'!


prisoners is that most of them really do want to work, especially in
meaningful and productive jobs. There are always far more prisoners


You should meet the ones I know (family members, sisters' boyfriends and their families, etc.).


Ironically, industry and unions have long opposed prison job programs
because they compete with jobs on the outside. If the company for whom


I don't think we're thinking on the same lines. Even if we can't find them something where they can do some hard labor, I think we should MAKE it for them. (But I seriously doubt we couldn't at least find something for them to do to where it wouldn't be beneficial to someone else (besides them), as well as the state or federal gov't.

And even if we couldn't, they could take some boulders and break them into pebbles, just for punishment's sake, if nothing else.


the prisoners work isn't paying competitive wages,


I don't want THEM to get a nickel!


(Most prison jobs pay 30 cents an hour here in WA.)


I don't want them to get even that!


You wouldn't want to lose your own job to a prisoner getting paid that,


I don't do hard labor, though. THAT'S what I'm talking about getting for them.


AFA meaningless jobs like busting up rocks and stuff like that --
they're more trouble than they're worth. Prisoners develop a lot of
resentment when they're forced to do worthless chores just as
punishment, and it makes the guards' job a lot harder and more
dangerous if prisoners are constantly angry. >


Prisoners have resentment, anyway. I'm talking punishment, here. I ain't for developing their self-esteem. They got there because they screwed up. If you don't want them busting up rocks, find them some walls to scrub or some outhouses to shovel or . . .

Karen C.
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