Re: If you still think we can win in Iraq..

Barbara thanks for your insight, it is interesting and yes, so sad what has
happened to the area. What was so devastating to me was the historical
artifacts we destroyed and that were looted. That was the history of the
world! The many lives and the women and children, yes so much damage. It
is truly sad!

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
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"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Because of my love of Arabian horses and Saluki dogs and delving into
their
history I have a fairly good lay knowledge of that part of the world.
What
happened is exactly what I expected would happen. I am NOT a democrat. I
simply know the history and the tribal individualities and conflicting
backgrounds. Surely somebody in the administration should have been
aware!
I find the errors unfathomable. I feel sorry for the educated Iraqis. I
have personal friends who are from Iran and other Arab countries. My
Arabic
teacher ( I can read Arabic and at one time could speak some, but am way
out
of practice--it is a difficult language) was from Palestine. This
conflict
has been most upsetting and I think we have no clue how to get out! Our
troops are there dying, and I believe are in a "no win" situation and
Iraqi
civilians are being slaughtered. And some events have caused the
"morality"
of our entire country to be questioned. It is a sad state of affairs, and
I
do not think the powers that be went in with good intentions.

Barb C.
"RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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WGW (we general we - i.e people who are not experts on cultural issues
of
this nature) would have no way of knowing this. However, it seems to me
any presidential administration would have among its advisors people who
are experts in these things and who certainly would be able to predict
exactly what happened. But Bush seems to be incapable of admitting he's
made a mistake - ever - especially not a big one.

Anne Vasquez wrote:
Which Democrats are you referring to, Jay? That definition sure
doesn't
apply to this one. I never believed Saddam had WMD, never thought we
should have been in Iraq, believed it was all about oil and still
believe
the same.

I agree that we don't understand the kind of violence endemic in that
part of the world and weren't ready to deal with it. They've been
fighting there for thousands of years. They aren't going to stop
because
we say so.

All I've been able to do since this thing started is shake my head and
ask if the government had any idea what they were getting us into. I
sincerely doubt it. I have to wonder how many of our elected
officials'
sons and daughters have lost their lives in this debacle.

Anne


Jay Vance wrote:

Carol and I have been talking about the war and our feelings about it.
I think we went into the war with honest intentions (all the Democrats
who have blasted Bush over the WMD issue were the very same ones who
themselves said publicly that they believed Saddam had them and should
be stopped). I believe the big miscalculation was the level of
sectarian violence that is endemic to that part of the country. We
just don't understand it. And that, by the way, is the focus of
Will's
column, the fact that the sectarian violence has derailed our hopes of
"winning" this war in the sense of accomplishing a lasting peace.
Will
is not commenting on the justness of the war, rather the lack of
candor
on the part of the administration regarding how the internicine
fighting has affected what we had hoped to accomplish there. Nor is
Will suggesting we summarily pull out of Iraq; regardless of why we
went there in the first place, and regardless of the miscalculations
since then, we can't just pull up our tents and go home. Having said
that, I do believe we have to face the fact that we are not going to
"win" this war like we won World War II or Desert Storm. I believe
the
best we can do is effect an orderly withdrawal and let the Iraqis
decide their own destiny.

Jay


Gisele wrote:

Check out George F. Will's column in the November 6 issue of
Newsweek.
This guy is as conservative as they come. Bush and Cheney's ears
should be bursting into flames right about now.

Gisele


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Gisele






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