Re: American health care best? No...Most expensive? Yes...Ranked 12th

From: Howard McCollister (nospam_at_nospam.net)
Date: 07/06/04 

Date: 6 Jul 2004 09:51:24 -0500

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:40EA8355.1A2@heartmdphd.com...
> Steve Harris sbharris@ROMAN9.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:<40E92E14.1C8E@heartmdphd.com>...
> >
> > > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
message news:<40E698A8.3554@heartmdphd.com>...
> >
> > >In truth, without Christ, there would be no Santa Claus.
> >
> > COMMENT:
> >
> > Yeah, Santa's sort of Jesus-lite, all right. But there are a lot of
> > religions with spirits who provide things after appropriate
> > exhortations. In Voodoo it takes chicken blood. The whole idea is
> > power and control of things.
> >
> > Harris
>
> It sounds like you had a disappointing childhood, Dr. Harris.
>
> > >> The problem with Christ is that he's just basically Santa for
> > adults.
> > >> By rumor, he's making a list and checking it twice, gunna find out
> > >> who's naughty and nice, and one day he's coming to town. `Cept
> > until
> > >> then he's awfully scarce, you notice?
> >
> > Chung
> > >Not for those who have been walking with Him.
> >
> > COMMENT: Oh, I didn't say you couldn't pretend! You can say you're
> > accompanied all the time by a 10 foot tall invisible rabbit named
> > Harvey, for all I care. The difficulty is getting anybody else to see
> > him.
>
> Yes, I am a mere servant.
>
> > You see, there are all kinds of religions and many of them don't
> > accept Jesus as god. And the ones that do, can't even agree on what
> > Jesus is suggesting is the best thing to do. Like join the Mormons or
> > the Roman Catholics, or whatever. Which is a mighty peculiar situation
> > if there's an objective personage there which everybody's seeing. At
> > minimum AT LEAST most of the people getting messages from "Jesus" are
> > self-deluded, simply because the messages are in direct conflict. I'm
> > suggesting that they ALL are self-deluded, which is the simplest
> > explanation of all. I don't see Jesus. Do YOU see Jesus, Dr. Chung?
>
> Not with my eyes but with my heart.
>
> > What's he look like?
>
> He is love.
>
> > Harris
> > >> Has an unlisted phone number and
> > >> email and even mail (hell, Santa can be reached at North Pole,
> > >>Alaska, not far from Fairbanks-- I've been there and he seemed nice
> > >>enough).
> >
> > Chung
> > >Why would you need a phone number (email address or postal address
> > for
> > >that matter) to reach someone who is walking right beside you?
> >
> > COMMMENT:
> > Uh, to get an answer back, obviously. But since it's not working for
> > me, let's see how it works for you.
> >
> > How do YOU know Jesus is walking "right beside me?"
>
> I feel Him beside me.
>
> > Can you see him?
>
> I see the Father all around me.
>
> > What's he look like?
>
> Everything.
>
> > If you can't see him, but can only hear him, ask
> > him please about the Mormons, for "Stormin' Mormon" Young's sake. I
> > wanna know what your Personal Jesus says about the Mormons. Is that
> > so hard?
>
> No.
>
> > You say one doesn't need email. Great. So ask. You can just
> > use email to pass the message on to the rest of us, okay? Jesus can
> > watch over your shoulder, whilst you type.
>
> What is your question?
>
> > Chung:
> > >>It seems that you are blind, Dr. Harris.
> > >>May God open your eyes so that you can see Him all around you, in
> > >>Christ's name.
> >
> > COMMENT:
> > Oh, ho, you accusing me of being blind?
>
> Not an accusation but an observation.
>
> > That old trick of the
> > religious shaman. Them's fighting words and they demands some
> > evidence. I accuse you in turn of seeing things that aren't there.
>
> Blind people do that.
>
> > I'm blind, you say?
>
> So it would seem.
>
> > Well, then, how about you be my "eyes" and "ears"?
> > Ask your personal Jesus about the Mormons, and put the answer right
> > here.
>
> I would be glad to.
>
> What is your question?
>
> > In real life, people blind from birth don't need any convincing that
> > others have a special sense they lack (Let's ignore that facetious HG
> > Wells short story). But there seems to be real problem with this
> > Jesus. All those people in the middle east can't see him, neither Jew
> > nor Muslim. Could it be sandstorms, do you think?
>
> Could be the same disease that you seem to have.
>
> > Harris
> > > Like the Loch Ness
> > > Monster, Bigfoot, and those little gray aliens with bug eyes, the
> > > living Jesus is never around when you really need him to show up to
> > > settle an argument.
> >
> > Chung
> > >I do not show up to settle arguments. So by your logic, I don't
> > exist
> > >either.
> >
> > Comment
> > Oh, you show up here for arguments, as you obviously are doing right
> > now.
>
> For now, but there will be a time when I won't.
>
> > I don't see Jesus here. And I can make you show up physically, at
> > will, so I don't really care if you're not here in person. All I have
> > to do is file some civil action against you out there in Georgia, and
> > at some point, I guarantee you'll show up in person.
>
> Not if God wills otherwise.
>
> > So your online
> > credentials and your email messages stand in for you, in the meantime.
>
> God's Word is infinitely better than all these.
>
> > But as for Jesus, forget it.
> >
> > Harris
> > >That's really fishy. If he'd just hold a telephone [press conference]
> > >ike Howard Hughes once did, or better yet video, he could do a lot of
> > >scotch those rumors that he's actually been dead for some time. And
> > if
> > >Jesus is still alive, I'll bet he looks better than Hughes, and isn't
> > >addicted to codeine, so it could be fun. We could bring in Dan
> > Rather,
> > >some loaves and fishes, and have a better audience percentage than
> > the
> > >last superbowl.
> >
> > Chung
> > >Is that what you require in order to accept Christ as your personal
> > >Lord and Savior?
> >
> > COMMENT:
> >
> > No, actually, that's would be just the beginning. Are you kidding? Any
> > schmuck can call himself a god or a prophet. Proving it is the hard
> > part.
> >
> > SBH
>
> The proof is all around you.
>
> May God open your eyes so you can see Him.
>
> You remain in my prayers in Christ's name, neighbor.
>
> May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
> you too will have eternal life and the infinite riches of His
> everlasting kingdom.
>
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
>
> **
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>
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>
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OK. That's it. I give up. The endless "snippet posts", the
self-righteousness, and all this god/jesus crap in otherwise viable medical
threads has done me in.

*plonk* ..... see ya Andrew. Good luck.

HMc

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