Re: Where is the evidence that animal research benefits humans?

From: Derek (derek_at_1066ad.com)
Date: 07/14/04 

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:23:05 +0100

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:49:58 GMT, Wilson Woods <vârmïnt@frèêdom.úsâ.çøm> wrote:

>Derek wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:00:33 GMT, Wilson Woods <vârmïnt@frèêdom.úsâ.çøm> wrote:
>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:58:07 GMT, Wilson Woods <vârmïnt@frèêdom.úsâ.çøm> wrote:
>>>>>Derek wrote:

>>>>>Why don't you believe that animal based research hasn't contributed to
>>>>>science or that testing on animals hasn't prevented some products that
>>>>>might have been harmful from being sold? Where is your evidence for these
>>>>>beliefs?
>>>>
>>>>[106,000 Americans died and another 1.3 million were
>>>>injured as a result of adverse reactions to properly
>>>>prescribed drugs... Deaths due to drug reactions are the
>>>>fourth or fifth leading cause of death.]
>>>
>>>Lie of omission: if the animal testing "failed", and
>>>is to be declared useless, then all the MUCH MORE
>>>EXTENSIVE human clinical trials ALSO "failed", and
>>>necessarily must ALSO be declared useless.
>>
>> It's only during clinical trials, all 4 of them
>
>There are only three phases.

There are four phases, and your repeated failure to
acknowledge the fourth phase is lying by omission.

[What are clinical trial phases?
Clinical trials of experimental drugs proceed through four
phases:

In Phase I clinical trials, researchers test a new drug or
treatment in a small group of people (20-80) for the first
time to evaluate its safety, determine a safe dosage range,
and identify side effects.

In Phase II clinical trials, the study drug or treatment is
given to a larger group of people (100-300) to see if it
is effective and to further evaluate its safety.

In Phase III studies, the study drug or treatment is given
to large groups of people (1,000-3,000) to confirm its
effectiveness, monitor side effects, compare it to
commonly used treatments, and collect information that
will allow the drug or treatment to be used safely.

Phase IV studies are done after the drug or treatment has
been marketed. These studies continue testing the study
drug or treatment to collect information about their effect
in various populations and any side effects associated with
long-term use.]
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/gui/c/a2r/info/whatis?JServSessionIdzone_ct=a4hnop56p1

Accept the fact that there ARE 4 phases of clinical trials,
and not just 3, liar Jon.

>You are, as always, lying by omission.

Rather, it's clear you are because there ARE four phases
rather than just the three you insist exist.

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