Re: The Bull*** Parade

From: Robert (Robert_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 08/09/04 

Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:52:01 -0700

"Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >>"Robert" <Robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>>>Funny thing. I have family in Canada, some involved in medicine. I
> >>>>know some others also involved. I know lots more who aren't medfolk.
> >>>>They all together don't seem to be anywhere near as worked up about
> >>>>their system as most Americans seem to be. They have the choice of
> >>>>having the state system or paying for whatever else they'd prefer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Explanation for the wait times is simple and short: Conservative
> > government cutbacks to funding=longer waiting times=the conservative
> > agenda: open private clinics. However, these private for profit
> > clinics receive public fudning, thereby strangling the public system
> > further, and skim off the best medical personnel. Often for-profit
> > facilities are owned by former conservative party cabinet ministers
> > and physician consortia.
> >
> > Zee
>
> And yet, the infant mortality rate in Canada is lower than in the US.
> Life expectancy in Canada is higher than the US.
>
> There's a difference between waits for things like elective surgery
> and life-threatening conditions. It's one thing to say it takes longer
> in Canada and leave it there. It's quite another to say that it's on
> the non-serious, non-painful conditions that the delays are longer.
> And how much longer? It's generally an issue of convenience, not
> medical necessity that most of the hubbub is about.
>
> It seems to be more about immediate gratification than urgency of
> remedy. I know a woman who waited 60 days for a tubal ligation in
> Canada. I'm married to her. Another who waited about the same for
> cataract surgery. In Toronto, I drove a friend who had a serious
> bleeding fibroid condition to an ER and they made the people with
> sprained ankles and back pain sit and wait while they took care of a
> real problem. Triage happens in all medical facilities, and it should.
>
> I'm not asserting superiority of one system over another. I am saying
> that a bit of balance in the viewpoints would be good. And not have it
> be *only* a political discussion. That whole business of labels for
> liberal and conservative ideologies is meaningless nowadays. It has
> become a situation where entire packages of ideas and notions are
> dismissed out of hand from both extreme camps. The general foolishness
> looks like this: If somebody is politically conservative, then they're
> trying to take the food out of babies' mouths and they're only
> thinking about their wallets. If they're politically liberal, they
> want to redistribute all the money so everyone is equal and it's a
> perpetual vacation on the backs os the rich. And it's all foolishness
> constructed on the back of distortions and nasty interpretations of
> good intent.
>
> Rather than namecalling, have a cup of tea and consider the ideas at
> hand. Does the populace feel that medical care and medical expenses
> need to be adjusted somehow? Fine. Ask them for ideas. They're paying
> for it, it's ostensibly *for* them. The vast preponderance of ideas
> will be unworkable, inefficient, impractical or downright stupid.
> There will be some that can make a difference.
>
> If it's broke, fix it. If some parts work fine, don't fix them. If

Socialists systems are not democratic and don't work from the bottom up.
They are mandated by government officials and work their way down. They pass
decrees which affect all individuals and leave those individuals with out
any recourse but to vote with their feet.

> some parts clearly work against the best interests of the
> constituencies, fix them. But first, define what "broke" means. Define
> what "works fine" means. Like all human institutions, there will never
> be unanimous endorsement. Don't worry about the past and who messed it
> up. Just fix it. Waits too long? If they really are, then some
> modification of the system need to be implemented. Meds too expensive?
> Same thing.
Waits are too long in order to save money and if that is not right then
please correct me. You must live with pain in order to save money. Meds cost
money so they shift the costs by making more people wait even longer. Which
hospitals do you want closed in order to afford the meds?
Once you accept a socialistic system that gives up your right as an
individual to object there is no way out. You either get more decronian with
monetary policies or you just dump the whole system in the garbage heap. The
Soviet Union did not modify their program as they just dumped it. Comrade
Zee will never accept that.
>
> Nowadays, we seem only to delegate blame.
>
> Bob
>

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